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« Reply #1005 on: October 27, 2014, 01:57:PM »
i think he probely has got new evedence but i doubt it will prove anything beyound doubt that sounds like hype to me.

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« Reply #1006 on: October 27, 2014, 02:12:PM »
i think he probely has got new evedence but i doubt it will prove anything beyound doubt that sounds like hype to me.

I dont know but watching for the release of these three books is like watching footballers trying to set and avoid an offside trap.  I suppose if one of the authors has an alleged trump card then the other two might be wary of publishing?

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« Reply #1007 on: October 27, 2014, 02:16:PM »
googles pauls Harrison jack the ripper mystery solved.

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1008 on: October 27, 2014, 02:21:PM »
I dont know but watching for the release of these three books is like watching footballers trying to set and avoid an offside trap.  I suppose if one of the authors has an alleged trump card then the other two might be wary of publishing?
Am not sure, he may have a trump card and that would be fine, at least we would all know for sure but think MD has claimed in other books that he will prove without doubt who committed crimes but the evidence is never conclusive. :-\  Unless indisputable, one persons proof is another persons possibility therefore we still don't know who Jack the Ripper was etc. 
I thought all books are held up because of an injunction which may stop any discussion about a person or persons who form an important part of the argument?? :-\ :-\

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1009 on: October 27, 2014, 02:50:PM »
it would help if we could find out who this injunction. is from.
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« Reply #1010 on: October 27, 2014, 02:52:PM »
why adam is so keen this on somone i am not sure.

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1011 on: October 27, 2014, 04:04:PM »
Am not sure, he may have a trump card and that would be fine, at least we would all know for sure but think MD has claimed in other books that he will prove without doubt who committed crimes but the evidence is never conclusive. :-\  Unless indisputable, one persons proof is another persons possibility therefore we still don't know who Jack the Ripper was etc. 
I thought all books are held up because of an injunction which may stop any discussion about a person or persons who form an important part of the argument?? :-\ :-\

The evidence against Jeremy is conclusive, that is why he lost his appeals.

The fact Jeremy supporters like you refuse to accept it as being conclusive means very little.

Proving the evidence isn't conclusive requires refuting it.  Jeremy supporters can't do that though thus instead resort to distortion such as bogus tales of Sheila having victim blood on her back that was the result of back spatter from murdering the victims with her gown on backwards.  The more spectacular tales like this were never made at trial or on appeal they are entirely made up.  Some of the less spectacular ones were made on appeal but were rejected as meritless. I'm not sure what is worse, raising claims already rejected or entirely fabricated ones.

There won't be anything new. There might be a more comprehensive discussion of the evidence that convicted Jeremy but won't be new evidence in the book.
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« Reply #1012 on: October 27, 2014, 04:09:PM »
he must have somthing if sombodys gone to the trouble of getting an injunction on him assuming they have.

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« Reply #1013 on: October 27, 2014, 04:12:PM »
The evidence against Jeremy is conclusive, that is why he lost his appeals.

The fact Jeremy supporters like you refuse to accept it as being conclusive means very little.

Proving the evidence isn't conclusive requires refuting it.  Jeremy supporters can't do that though thus instead resort to distortion such as bogus tales of Sheila having victim blood on her back that was the result of back spatter from murdering the victims with her gown on backwards.  The more spectacular tales like this were never made at trial or on appeal they are entirely made up.  Some of the less spectacular ones were made on appeal but were rejected as meritless. I'm not sure what is worse, raising claims already rejected or entirely fabricated ones.

There won't be anything new. There might be a more comprehensive discussion of the evidence that convicted Jeremy but won't be new evidence in the book.






There's GOT to be something new or it wouldn't even be considered !!

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1014 on: October 27, 2014, 04:13:PM »
Have any of these authors seen Sheilas' medical records ? I think not !

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« Reply #1015 on: October 27, 2014, 04:20:PM »
he must have somthing if sombodys gone to the trouble of getting an injunction on him assuming they have.

I'll make you a bet that if his book ever is actually written that the only evidence he brings to bear regarding Jeremy's guilt will be evidence brought up at trial or on appeal.

Even if he goes off into Jeremy's foreign travels and supposed crime in those jurisdictions it would not be evidence regarding the murders he was convicted of.  That is the kinds of things being bandied about as being explored by some writers.  It is stuff not directly relevant to the murders.

No one on either side of the aisle is going to find any truly new evidence. They just try to put a different spin on old evidence like the spin on Bonnett's log to try to say it proved a call made by Nevill.  It was the same old evidence just spun a different way.

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« Reply #1016 on: October 27, 2014, 04:30:PM »
depends what you call evedence no doubt he think its evedence but it wont be tested in court.

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1017 on: October 27, 2014, 04:36:PM »
depends what you call evedence no doubt he think its evedence but it wont be tested in court.

It doesn't mean it is new evidence. He could simply highlight the evidence used to convict not all of which has been discussed in detail anywhere except at trial.

People are assuming it will be new evidence. 
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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #1018 on: October 27, 2014, 04:42:PM »
It doesn't mean it is new evidence. He could simply highlight the evidence used to convict not all of which has been discussed in detail anywhere except at trial.

People are assuming it will be new evidence.






It HAS to be NEW evidence or they won't entertain it at all. Nothing cobbled from previous submissions.

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« Reply #1019 on: October 27, 2014, 04:47:PM »
It HAS to be NEW evidence or they won't entertain it at all. Nothing cobbled from previous submissions.

It has to be new evidence to be successfully raised on appeal. We are talking about a book though not appellate submisisons.  There is no requirement for evidence presented in a book to be new and indeed the source of the evidence will be that already in the record. 
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