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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #255 on: October 22, 2014, 12:32:AM »
It might seem like a stupid question but there is a poster with the user name Neil.  He and NGB are different people correct or are they both NGB?

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« Reply #256 on: October 22, 2014, 12:44:AM »
would you say he tried to manipulate you in any way.

He obviously has successfully manipulated the campaign team.

This forum and the campaign site are 2 very different animals. It is unclear to me why he didn't bother to reference the campaign team.

Some people here have suggested things like NGB funded his defense efforts and other things that give the impression NGB is actively involved in defending him.  I always took such claims with a grain of salt but if I saw them no doubt he did too and maybe is making his claims based on that?

Protector is a strange word to use anyway if you ask me. Defender would be more accurate for anyone running around pressing the case he is innocent.  A protector suggests a different relationship than merely stumping on his behalf.

 





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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #257 on: October 22, 2014, 12:46:AM »
It might seem like a stupid question but there is a poster with the user name Neil.  He and NGB are different people correct or are they both NGB?

ngbs real name is neil.

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #258 on: October 22, 2014, 12:48:AM »
He obviously has successfully manipulated the campaign team.

This forum and the campaign site are 2 very different animals. It is unclear to me why he didn't bother to reference the campaign team.

Some people here have suggested things like NGB funded his defense efforts and other things that give the impression NGB is actively involved in defending him.  I always took such claims with a grain of salt but if I saw them no doubt he did too and maybe is making his claims based on that?

Protector is a strange word to use anyway if you ask me. Defender would be more accurate for anyone running around pressing the case he is innocent.  A protector suggests a different relationship than merely stumping on his behalf.

 

im asking Caroline as someone who has actually spoken to him and thinks hes guilty. weather she thinks he manipulative.

obvosly someone who thinks hes innocent will say no his not.
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« Reply #259 on: October 22, 2014, 01:00:AM »
im asking Caroline as someone who has actually spoken to him and thinks hes guilty. weather she thinks he manipulative.

obvosly someone who thinks hes innocent will say no his not.

Hi Nugs, I haven't spoken to him, only written and he hasn't been manipulative to me.
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« Reply #260 on: October 22, 2014, 01:01:AM »
It might seem like a stupid question but there is a poster with the user name Neil.  He and NGB are different people correct or are they both NGB?

Yes, they are different
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« Reply #261 on: October 22, 2014, 01:05:AM »
ngbs real name is neil.

Yeah I know which was why I wanted to make sure they were 2 different posters. 

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« Reply #262 on: October 22, 2014, 01:08:AM »
im asking Caroline as someone who has actually spoken to him and thinks hes guilty. weather she thinks he manipulative.

obvosly someone who thinks hes innocent will say no his not.

The campaign team in particular are the ones he has manipulated.  I still haven't figure out whether he uses Mike, Mike uses him or they both use eachother. So that one is like asking what came first the chicken or the egg.



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« Reply #263 on: October 22, 2014, 01:54:AM »
I just read the article.  It is strange because it doesn't quote what the letter wrote about NGB it just claims it identifies him as one of Jeremy's protectors. 

The article seems to imply Jackie wrote the letter by saying Harrison contacted her employer and then a week later got the threat plus mentioing:

"Clive Beer, business development director of PSI Ltd, added that the employee who offered to give Mr Harrison 100,000 public sector email addresses had been "severely rebuked" and was "hanging on to her job by a thread".

He said: "She was trying to help him along and became slightly overzealous. She is a sales agent and has no access to any of our database information. All of the emails are in the public domain."

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Someone just reading this article would naturally suspect the unnamed sales agent doing it as retribution.  The fact she is a Jeremy zealot makes it even worse lucky for her they didn't mention that part and trying to get back at NGB for the whole fiasco would actually make some sense as well.

I can kind of see why matt would suspect her.

There is something critical to highlight with respect to the defamation claim:

"Last night, Mr Harrison said he believes Bamber himself is behind the threat, having manipulated one of his "disciples" into sending the sinister message."

Harrison prefaced it as his opinion not a fact that Jeremy sent it.  Opinion is excluded from defamation.  Prefacing something as an opinion won't always protect you but figures into the equation.

The author asserting Jeremy sent it in the headline seems to be the usual with journalists.  How often you do read the story and find out that the headline is not actually supported by evidence. They do it all the time as the old bait and switch.  It is th ehook to get you o read an article that otherwise you wouldn't. 




 

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #264 on: October 22, 2014, 02:51:AM »
Hi Nugs, I haven't spoken to him, only written and he hasn't been manipulative to me.

Other people have said he has been manipulative.

A poster posted on red and blue a few months ago about how she was supplying money for his Arizona tests. Jeremy dropped her after the money slowed down.

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« Reply #265 on: October 22, 2014, 07:33:AM »
Morning Mr. Gee the way you describe some guilty supporters well the same applies to some who are adamant he is innocent they are rude will not debate the case so it is a two way thing I think you will agree.

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« Reply #266 on: October 22, 2014, 07:42:AM »
Morning Mr Gee I have not seen Paul Harrison or anyone on this forum accuse Jackie of sending a letter.  Of course she should not be condemned for writing it without proof and again you must apply the same sentiments to Paul Harrison you don't trust him you don't even know him or what indeed this is all about.  Come on Grahame lets have "fair do's" here what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  Lookout should never have released her find on Google ;) ;) ;) nothing but trouble and a split in the forum  will come out of this.

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Re: The Threat.
« Reply #267 on: October 22, 2014, 08:18:AM »
The campaign team in particular are the ones he has manipulated.  I still haven't figure out whether he uses Mike, Mike uses him or they both use eachother. So that one is like asking what came first the chicken or the egg.

As far as I am aware Mike and Jeremy fell out a long time ago - Mike has made no secret of that.

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« Reply #268 on: October 22, 2014, 08:19:AM »
I agree that he has never asked me for anything. I have always found him polite and to answer 'most' questions I have asked. If anyone asked me 'do you like Jeremy Bamber'? I would have to answer 'yes'. Does that make him innocent - no!

Agreed it does not make him innocent.


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« Reply #269 on: October 22, 2014, 08:39:AM »
It is absolutely true that Jeremy manipulates people.  It is also true though that such people allow themselves to be manipulated. 

Manipulating someone into sending the threatening letter would not really help him though so I doubt he is behind it.  It would not help him because it has little chance of actually getting Harrison to abandon the project.

While people claim some guilter would do it they have nothing to gain either. Only some wacko supporter could think that it could benefit trying to silence Harrison and be crazy enough to think the threat could work or did it just to annoy him.  Otherwise it was someone who wanted to help Harrison by giving him press attention.  Those are the realistic choices someone looking to help get him press coverage or a wacko Jeremy supporter trying to annoy him or scare him.

After seeing Jackie's irraitonal behavior I can see why some would suspect her.  She is pretty wacky and defends Jeremy despite no evne knowing or caring about the evidence and facts but I have no idea if she would be wacky enough to try to annoy him and get back at him by sending such a stupid letter or not.  I don't know enough about her to try making a judgment either way.

Some crazy lady got stuck in a chimney trying to breka into a house of a guy she met online and had a couple of dates with.  I bet no one who knew her predicted she would do anything that stupid or crazy.  People who are emotional do all sorts of stupid things. I have no idea how many passionate wacko supporters Jeremy has.  So no idea how big the pool of suspects could be. It doesn't have to be a long term supporter it could be someone who just got involved recently. The chiney wacko didn't date him much or know him long. 

As others pointed out stamps and envelopes are no longer licked and even when they were careful people used water, they had sponges especially for the task.  At any rate that only works if you have the DNA of the culpret on file or get a warrant for same.  So you need probable cause anyway.

Fingerprints also need to be on file and often are hard to lift from paper and can be avoided. The chance of ever finding out is nil unless the person does something else.
You know scipio you are a very intelligent and articulate person who seems to be able to weigh things up logically. For that reason I am really surprised that you could maske such a naive statement as that? Eepecially after you have seen some of the guilter wackos here and the absolutely unjust accusation towards Jackie? It is statements like this that still throw me in doubt of your honesty and truthfulness. That a man who knows the law could be part of a lynch mob? Sorry scipio but I stand in doubt of you and therefore do not trust you. It is not your obvious debating abilities that throw me in doubt, but it is you yourself and of your character, which cries out to me, "Unjust and prejudiced". :(