The Threat.

[Jan]

Well it has been printed in the press, and Jackie has spoken of it. The article is also being used to try and damage Mason who was a member of this forum - and now the people are nit-picking the article to try and dirty MD's name... yet these are the same people that had basically thrown themselves at him to sit in his lap when he first came to the forum.

So you think its fine that he went to the press and decided who the letter was from, without proof, made allegations  and dragged NGB and Jackie into it then?

If it dirtys his name then I think it his decision to go to the press that has done that.

Personally I think by the time the book comes out it will all be forgotten - but then of course he will be able to add it to the final publication to emphasise his conclusion.

[guest154]

So you think its fine that he went to the press and decided who the letter was from, without proof, made allegations  and dragged NGB and Jackie into it then?

If it dirtys his name then I think it his decision to go to the press that has done that.

Personally I think by the time the book comes out it will all be forgotten - but then of course he will be able to add it to the final publication to emphasise his conclusion.

I believe the letter to be genuine and in that case he has every right to do what he wanted with it.

[andrea]

So you think its fine that he went to the press and decided who the letter was from, without proof, made allegations  and dragged NGB and Jackie into it then?

If it dirtys his name then I think it his decision to go to the press that has done that.

Personally I think by the time the book comes out it will all be forgotten - but then of course he will be able to add it to the final publication to emphasise his conclusion.

He didn't name the person who sent the letter, he just said that it was a disciple of Bamber that sent it. he didn't name names.

[Patti]

Well it has been printed in the press, and Jackie has spoken of it. The article is also being used to try and damage Mason who was a member of this forum - and now the people are nit-picking the article to try and dirty MD's name... yet these are the same people that had basically thrown themselves at him to sit in his lap when he first came to the forum.

Mat.

PH was the one that went to the press. He did not involve the police. The damage was not only to PH Mat. It involved others and it implicated others. 

If that letter was real then there were no need to shower suspicion on members that post on this forum or involve the Admin on this forum....

What PH fails to tell us in that article is who or where the other threats came from....He fails to tell us who in the establishment is making threats, who in the police force is making threat and it goes on and on all because he is writing a book on Bamber.....No other author was met with such threats....so why him?

I can tell you though that PH and myself got on rather well and we even exchanged a PM on the 19th....where he thanked me for my support.  So I no there were no grudges between us. Its just that since he went to the press I have lost the respect that I had for him. Had he gone to the police then my opinion of him would have stayed the same....I have doubts. 

[Jan]

He didn't name the person who sent the letter, he just said that it was a disciple of Bamber that sent it. he didn't name names.

But that is implicating Jeremy by association . It may not have been true. If he has proof that is true then fair enough but then if he did have he could give it to the police.

It could have been someone trying to get at Jeremy and this forum - in other words someone who believes he is guilty. Or other people who are going to be implicated in a MOJ in the book.

[andrea]

Mat.

PH was the one that went to the press. He did not involve the police. The damage was not only to PH Mat. It involved others and it implicated others. 

If that letter was real then there were no need to shower suspicion on members that post on this forum or involve the Admin on this forum....

What PH fails to tell us in that article is who or where the other threats came from....He fails to tell us who in the establishment is making threats, who in the police force is making threat and it goes on and on all because he is writing a book on Bamber.....No other author was met with such threats....so why him?

I can tell you though that PH and myself got on rather well and we even exchanged a PM on the 19th....where he thanked me for my support.  So I no there were no grudges between us. Its just that since he went to the press I have lost the respect that I had for him. Had he gone to the police then my opinion of him would have stayed the same....I have doubts. 

He said the letter was postmarked in Essex, I didn't see him mention that he had received threats from the establishment or the Police, im confused here 

Also, I don't think NGB doesn't comes across badly in that article. He clearly states that he doesn't agree with the letter being sent. He also said that some people can be quite fanatical regarding Bamber, and to wait until his book comes out, then form an opinion. No, I don't NGB looks bad in that article at all.

[andrea]

But that is implicating Jeremy by association . It may not have been true. If he has proof that is true then fair enough but then if he did have he could give it to the police.

It could have been someone trying to get at Jeremy and this forum - in other words someone who believes he is guilty. Or other people who are going to be implicated in a MOJ in the book.

If he is implicating Bamber there's not a lot anyone can do about it. Bamber is serving a whole life tarrif, I think the law states you cant defame someone who is already in prison, but don't quote me on that!! Im not sure, will have to look it up.

[andrea]

I think its somebody with a grudge against PH himself. I don't think its anyone with a grudge against Jackie or NGB. IMO

[Jan]

If he is implicating Bamber there's not a lot anyone can do about it. Bamber is serving a whole life tarrif, I think the law states you cant defame someone who is already in prison, but don't quote me on that!! Im not sure, will have to look it up.

Exactly.

you don't have to look it up.

[Jan]

He said the letter was postmarked in Essex, I didn't see him mention that he had received threats from the establishment or the Police, im confused here 

Also, I don't think NGB doesn't comes across badly in that article. He clearly states that he doesn't agree with the letter being sent. He also said that some people can be quite fanatical regarding Bamber, and to wait until his book comes out, then form an opinion. No, I don't NGB looks bad in that article at all.

He said the above in messages . the establishment and the police were trying to stop him publishing the book even though they did not know what was in it.

[Patti]

He didn't name the person who sent the letter, he just said that it was a disciple of Bamber that sent it. he didn't name names.

Hi Andrea

But, if it was anonymous he would not know who had sent the letter. It could have been any nutter on this planet.  But, the letter mentions NGB as being Jeremy's protector so the journalist sort NGB out and rang him. I take it NGB was quite taken aback with it all and NGB'S professionalism shone through.

PH had said he had been having threats form the establishment etc prior to the article Andrea....but he fails to name them. He told us this on the on the forum. Someone had even sent John an email to tell him he had died.....by the name of Scott? The mind boggles....

[Patti]

Maybe threats is the wrong word 

[Jan]

Mat.

PH was the one that went to the press. He did not involve the police. The damage was not only to PH Mat. It involved others and it implicated others. 

If that letter was real then there were no need to shower suspicion on members that post on this forum or involve the Admin on this forum....

What PH fails to tell us in that article is who or where the other threats came from....He fails to tell us who in the establishment is making threats, who in the police force is making threat and it goes on and on all because he is writing a book on Bamber.....No other author was met with such threats....so why him?

I can tell you though that PH and myself got on rather well and we even exchanged a PM on the 19th....where he thanked me for my support.  So I no there were no grudges between us. Its just that since he went to the press I have lost the respect that I had for him. Had he gone to the police then my opinion of him would have stayed the same....I have doubts. 

I agree , when he came on the forum he seemed fine . And to be fair I was sarcastic about the book only because of penadtic posts by a certain person . But IF PH  confirms that there was technically a MOJ and he PROVES JB is guilty - then fair enough - it will in some ways be justification of what some people have been saying even if the end result is not what we thought. And I for one would be grateful because it would save hours of my time posting on here ( as much as I love you all!)

As long as it is not the same argument as Bob W , which as far as I can see is a load of rubbish.

[andrea]

Hi Andrea

But, if it was anonymous he would not know who had sent the letter. It could have been any nutter on this planet.  But, the letter mentions NGB as being Jeremy's protector so the journalist sort NGB out and rang him. I take it NGB was quite taken aback with it all and NGB'S professionalism shone through.

PH had said he had been having threats form the establishment etc prior to the article Andrea....but he fails to name them. He told us this on the on the forum. Someone had even sent John an email to tell him he had died.....by the name of Scott? The mind boggles....

I wasn't privvy to what has been sent in messages. I'm forming my opinions on the newspaper article.

[Patti]

I agree , when he came on the forum he seemed fine . And to be fair I was sarcastic about the book only because of penadtic posts by a certain person . But IF PH  confirms that there was technically a MOJ and he PROVES JB is guilty - then fair enough - it will in some ways be justification of what some people have been saying even if the end result is not what we thought. And I for one would be grateful because it would save hours of my time posting on here ( as much as I love you all!)

As long as it is not the same argument as Bob W , which as far as I can see is a load of rubbish.

Hi Jan

From the onset with PH I was never under the impression that he leaned toward Jeremy being innocent his main belief was to identify the corruption surrounding the case. That is more or less what he told me. So I was never under the impression that he thought Jeremy to be innocent.  Yet, I imagine I was mislead I suppose, into thinking that he swayed towards Jeremy.

For the life of me I cannot justify why he went to the press with such an article. If he had not done so them my opinion of him would be the same as it were prior to it. 

Anyway, I am tired out.....I need my beauty sleep lol Night Jan/All.