The found hacksaw:

[susan]

Adam go on I dare you

[maggie]

Someone should create a thread -

'Why I joined'.

Think the foyer introduction should fulfil that Adam.

[Reader]

I always provide sources upon request.

Point 16:

Point 16 of what? (Please provide source.)

Judges summing up. His main points

Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.

Incorrect. Please provide your source for the trial judge saying that Jeremy had said that, or for Jeremy ever having said that.

[Adam]

Point 16 of what? (Please provide source.)

Judges summing up. His main points

Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.
Incorrect. Please provide your source for the trial judge saying that Jeremy had said that, or for Jeremy ever having said that.

Page 260 of Wilkes's book.

It is pretty clear that the found Hacksaw was used prior to the massacre by Bamber. To ensure a quiet entry on the night.

Bamber admitted using the found hacksaw after the massacre to gain entrance. Although he did not say in police interviews he needed a hacksaw to get into locked or unlocked windows at WHF.

[lookout]

Rubbish.

[maggie]

Page 260 of Wilkes's book.

It is pretty clear that the found Hacksaw was used prior to the massacre by Bamber. To ensure a quiet entry on the night.

Bamber admitted using the found hacksaw after the massacre to gain entrance. Although he did not say in police interviews he needed a hacksaw to get into locked or unlocked windows at WHF.

Hi Adam, Patti has researched the windows in depth, windows are her thing she found the forensic examination carried out just after the murders showed the windows hAd been newly painted shortly before the massacre and no scratches, marks etc pointing to forced entry were found on any windows at that time. Am almost sure that later in September, after the police had seen Jeremy enter WHF via a window, they were examined again and scratches were found where he had used a 'penknife' I think.  Am sure Patti will give you all the details when she has time.  Wilkes comments were only his opinion just as yours are.

[Adam]

Hi Adam, Patti has researched the windows in depth, windows are her thing she found the forensic examination carried out just after the murders showed the windows hAd been newly painted shortly before the massacre and no scratches, marks etc pointing to forced entry were found on any windows at that time. Am almost sure that later in September, after the police had seen Jeremy enter WHF via a window, they were examined again and scratches were found where he had used a 'penknife' I think.  Am sure Patti will give you all the details when she has time.  Wilkes comments were only his opinion just as yours are.

Wilkes was quoting the judges summing up.

[maggie]

Wilkes was quoting the judges summing up.

The facts tell a more interesting story, Adam.  It's noticeable that you dont't show any interest in Patti's gathered facts about how the windows were tested forensically and the results which infers you're nt interested in forming your own opinions but prefer to just quote other people.

[lookout]

 Patti put in a lot of thought about the windows,as is her speciality,and has studied them all,so any question about them has already been answered by her good self. 

[Jan]

Perhaps a certain person should be asked to go away and find the judges full summing up and the relevant section rather than a quote from a book . Where there are documents in existence  we should
be able to discuss the actual document.

[Mr. Gee]

Unfortunately neither Wilkes nor any other author can be counted as a "source" for proof.

[Patti]

Patti put in a lot of thought about the windows,as is her speciality,and has studied them all,so any question about them has already been answered by her good self.

Windows who'[s mentioned windows 

[lookout]

Windows who'[s mentioned windows 

Your favourite subject,Patti. 

[Patti]

Your favourite subject,Patti. 

Hahahaha Lookout it sure is. Have you had a nice Christmas? Got any snow up there? Plenty down here.....Had to go for a walk in it last night, felt like a big kid....made a few snow balls.   

[lookout]

Hahahaha Lookout it sure is. Have you had a nice Christmas? Got any snow up there? Plenty down here.....Had to go for a walk in it last night, felt like a big kid....made a few snow balls.   

A noisy Christmas with all the kiddies,but lovely,thankyou. Hope you did too.x

Bit of a snow shower where I am,but short-lived on account of the salty air. Been more or less dry today and sunny at times. Bitterly cold now though.
Always bad where you are.Nice to look at,but that's about all.