The found hacksaw:

[Jan]

I mentioned a farm worker I never said who , but Jeremy was a farm worker so he could had left it there either forgetting or not bothering to return from obtained, a close up image of the blade would tell volumes as to when it was last used.

If you check the photos there was lots of old rubbish around the farmhouse . Especially under one of the windows.

[Adam]

The found hack saw is very damaging for Jeremy.

He said he had used it to gain entrance into WHF after the massacre. But he had previously told the police he could get into WHF through locked and unlocked windows just by using a pen knife. However could he do this quietly ?

After the massacre he could have just asked someone for the keys. Or got a set of keys cut. Or got into WHF making a noise.

It seems much more likely he used the hack saw pre massacre.  To ensure he could get into WHF at a future date. With minimum noise.

[Jan]

Why didn't Jeremy cut the telephone wires with the hacksaw ? Silly boy,he didn't think when he set out to murder 5 people that all were capable of dialling 999.

Silly boy , fancy showing the police after the murders how he got in and out of the house , and fancy leaving the hacksaw there as well . Very silly .


Oh but of course he did readily tell the police he and other members of the family did  go in and out of the windows  when they came in late - But the windows did not LOCK from the outside. Not as if he was hiding anything . Oh and he left a note for BW asking her to lock the windows as well. How kind.

[Adam]

This thread badly needs Jan to fire fight. The found hacksaw points squarely at a guilty Jeremy.

Sadly it all became a bit too much for her.

[Caroline]

This thread badly needs Jan to fire fight. The found hacksaw points squarely at a guilty Jeremy.

Sadly it all became a bit too much for her.

No it doesn't, it was a farm, there would have been all kinds of stuff on the ground, it could have come from anywhere at anytime.

[Adam]

The found hack saw is very damaging for Jeremy.

He said he had used it to gain entrance into WHF after the massacre. But he had previously told the police he could get into WHF through locked and unlocked windows just by using a pen knife. However could he do this quietly ?

After the massacre he could have just asked someone for the keys. Or got a set of keys cut. Or got into WHF making a noise.

It seems much more likely he used the hack saw pre massacre.  To ensure he could get into WHF at a future date. With minimum noise.

[Caroline]

No it doesn't, it was a farm, there would have been all kinds of stuff on the ground, it could have come from anywhere at anytime.

[Adam]

Why would he use the found hack saw after the massacre ?

He could get into locked and unlocked windows at WHF with just a knife,  he told police. Or he could have asked for the keys. He did tell BW at WHF 'I'm in charge now'.

[Caroline]

Why would he use the found hack saw after the massacre ?

He could get into locked and unlocked windows at WHF with just a knife,  he told police. Or he could have asked for the keys. He did tell BW at WHF 'I'm in charge now'.

Why would he use a hacksaw at all, if he could use a knife? I don't think he would leave the hacksaw behind for someone to find. How s a hacksaw any quieter then  knife?

[Jane]

Why would he use a hacksaw at all, if he could use a knife? I don't think he would leave the hacksaw behind for someone to find. How s a hacksaw any quieter then  knife?

Wouldn't a hacksaw be very dangerous to use and wouldn't it have looked a little fishy if he'd been seen trying to make a window accessible when there was a perfectly adequate door?

[Adam]

Well he said he used the found hacksaw on the bathroom window. Of that there is no dispute.

The most logical reason was to loosen the window pre massacre to ensure a quiet entrance.

He would not need it after the massacre as he knew how to get into locked and unlocked windows at WHF without it. Or he could use keys. People have been known to use them.

[Adam]

Wouldn't a hacksaw be very dangerous to use and wouldn't it have looked a little fishy if he'd been seen trying to make a window accessible when there was a perfectly adequate door?

Perhaps he did it when no one was looking. WHF was very remote.

[Caroline]

Well he said he used the found hacksaw on the bathroom window. Of that there is no dispute.

The most logical reason was to loosen the window pre massacre to ensure a quiet entrance.

He would not need it after the massacre as he knew how to get into locked and unlocked windows at WHF without it. Or he could use keys. People have been known to use them.

How does that ensure a quiet entrance?

[Jane]

How does that ensure a quiet entrance?

Re post 85. What sort of idiot would go to the trouble of loosening a window with a hacksaw to do a massacre when he already was able to get in and out of certain windows with a knife!!!

[Adam]

How does that ensure a quiet entrance?

You know how. The window has been loosened. So there will be no noise when opening it in the dead of night.

It's called preparation.