The found hacksaw:

[Adam]

This was found several weeks after the massacre. But near the bathroom window.

Why an earth would a hacksaw be found in that area ? There was no reason why any of the family or farm workers would use one. Or leave it there.

Interestingly the marks on the bathroom window matched the hacksaw blades.

Jeremy informed the police (when questioned) that he could get into WHF through windows. However he never said he could do this quietly.

It seems that hacksaw was used prior to the massacre to ensure a quiet entry on the night. It worked.

[lookout]

It should have been tested regardless of how long it was before it was discovered.

[mertol22]

This was found several weeks after the massacre. But near the bathroom window.

Why an earth would a hacksaw be found in that area ? There was no reason why any of the family or farm workers would use one. Or leave it there.

Interestingly the marks on the bathroom window matched the hacksaw blades.

Jeremy informed the police (when questioned) that he could get into WHF through windows. However he never said he could do this quietly.

It seems that hacksaw was used prior to the massacre to ensure a quiet entry on the night. It worked.

Perhaps  but there is no proof it was used that night could it simply be it was lying around a farm worker leaving it there .

[Jan]

Perhaps  but there is no proof it was used that night could it simply be it was lying around a farm worker leaving it there .

Also I think even Jeremy would have had the noddle to go back to the farmhouse to collect it

[Jan]

Adam - I think if you search your own posts you have already covered this subject ?

This is from an old thread about misdirection by the judge.

The police did not find it when they originally inspected the house/windows and no marks either .


"Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.  Was this correct or had he gained entry on the murder night ? This point was volunteered by Jeremy himself. He was being honest as he could easily have denied it. The judge unwisely used this against Jeremy".

[Mr. Gee]

I don't know? Every silly little thing is being seen as having some connection with the murders. I simply cannot believe that they can match up a hacksaw blade with marks on a window? How different was this hacksaw blade to any other. I perceive a bit of exageration in this thread in suggesting this rediculous suggestion that Jeremt used this on the night of the murders? For one thing there were no signs that the window was forced, end of.

[Adam]

Perhaps  but there is no proof it was used that night could it simply be it was lying around a farm worker leaving it there .

Why would a farm worker use a hacksaw on the bathroom window (the marks matched the blades). Then dump it outside ?

A more simple question. Why would a farm worker use a hacksaw at all ?

[lookout]

Me too.It's generally known as clutching at straws.

[Adam]

Adam - I think if you search your own posts you have already covered this subject ?

This is from an old thread about misdirection by the judge.

The police did not find it when they originally inspected the house/windows and no marks either .


"Jeremy said he had used the found hacksaw to gain access to WHF after the murders to get documentation.  Was this correct or had he gained entry on the murder night ? This point was volunteered by Jeremy himself. He was being honest as he could easily have denied it. The judge unwisely used this against Jeremy".

The judge in his summing up did say Jeremy had gained access to WHF via windows both before and after the massacre.

He asked the jury to consider whether he gained access on the night.

[Adam]

I don't know? Every silly little thing is being seen as having some connection with the murders. I simply cannot believe that they can match up a hacksaw blade with marks on a window? How different was this hacksaw blade to any other. I perceive a bit of exageration in this thread in suggesting this rediculous suggestion that Jeremt used this on the night of the murders? For one thing there were no signs that the window was forced, end of.

Well there might be thousands of those hacksaws around the country. But the bathroom window marks matched the hacksaw found a few yards away.

I agree the hacksaw was not used on the night. But beforehand to ensure a quiet entry.

[Patti]

This was found several weeks after the massacre. But near the bathroom window.

Why an earth would a hacksaw be found in that area ? There was no reason why any of the family or farm workers would use one. Or leave it there.

Interestingly the marks on the bathroom window matched the hacksaw blades.

Jeremy informed the police (when questioned) that he could get into WHF through windows. However he never said he could do this quietly.

It seems that hacksaw was used prior to the massacre to ensure a quiet entry on the night. It worked.

The hacksaw was used on the 16th of September. Prior to that forensics did two extensive examinations of the windows and found nothing. It was after Jeremy had accessed this window that a 3rd examination took place.  Its my opinion that they might have know he had gained access, because he might have been followed; as at the time he was under suspicion.

The police had the silencer from the 12th August. The police had Julie's statement on the 8th of September, yet they waited till the 29th of September to arrest him. Nor did they stop him from leaving the Country....

[scipio_usmc]

The hacksaw was used on the 16th of September. Prior to that forensics did two extensive examinations of the windows and found nothing. It was after Jeremy had accessed this window that a 3rd examination took place.  Its my opinion that they might have know he had gained access, because he might have been followed; as at the time he was under suspicion.

The police had the silencer from the 12th August. The police had Julie's statement on the 8th of September, yet they waited till the 29th of September to arrest him. Nor did they stop him from leaving the Country....

It is quite possible the blade was there all along and police just didn't piece together it could have been used to gain access so ignored it and payed no mind. Unless I knew a window could be opened by using something slim to slip inside I would not give it a second thought besides thinking it was junk.

[Patti]

It is quite possible the blade was there all along and police just didn't piece together it could have been used to gain access so ignored it and payed no mind. Unless I knew a window could be opened by using something slim to slip inside I would not give it a second thought besides thinking it was junk.

Do you not think it odd then that when this piece of metal was found, it was immediately claimed to be the implement used to gain access to the bathroom window?

[Adam]

Do you not think it odd then that when this piece of metal was found, it was immediately claimed to be the implement used to gain access to the bathroom window?

Not really.

If it was found near the window and marks on the window matched the hacksaw.

Jeremy could have been gaining access for years. The hacksaw was used for some fine tuning prior to the night.

[scipio_usmc]

Do you not think it odd then that when this piece of metal was found, it was immediately claimed to be the implement used to gain access to the bathroom window?

No because at the time they found it they knew Jeremy used thin metal objects to open the lock so at that point they knew what to look for.  Prior to that they didn't so might have simply ignored it.