The found hacksaw:

[lookout]

Just remember the dog outside. He wouldn't know who it was breaking in. Do people really think that Jeremy could break into that house without 2 dogs, one inside the house and one outside would remain silent? Of course not. To suggest such a thing is rediculous.

The dogs would have been first on the hit list I'm afraid. It stands to sense and reason. Who'd want to go on a " shooting spree " with two dogs,in-situ,barking their heads off ? For Gods' sake !

When I made a remark about being unbelievably thick--------I meant it. 

[Jan]

Yes,I did notice the mess by the window. It looks as though if you'd risked standing on that old wood,you'd have ended up in the cellar.  Even inside,the cellar entrance was a bit dodgy.Didn't one of the cops nearly vanish by stepping on the wooden stair ?
Those areas hadn't been touched for ages. You wouldn't dare take any chances where wood's rotten like that. Wet rot,dry rot and woodworm-------recipe for disaster.
Jeremy wouldn't have risked poking around there.

so which window did he go in when he went to get his passport - and left a note for BW telling her as the window was not locked? Also I thiught they put an alarm in AFTER the murders so how come that did not go off?

[Mr. Gee]

so which window did he go in when he went to get his passport - and left a note for BW telling her as the window was not locked? Also I thiught they put an alarm in AFTER the murders so how come that did not go off?

I thought it was the bedroom window, but I can't be sure?

[scipio_usmc]

I thought it was the bedroom window, but I can't be sure?

Jeremy said it was the bathroom window.  That wa sused by the defense as an excuse for hwo the bathroom window got damaged.

[lookout]

Why didn't Jeremy cut the telephone wires with the hacksaw ? Silly boy,he didn't think when he set out to murder 5 people that all were capable of dialling 999.

[scipio_usmc]

Why didn't Jeremy cut the telephone wires with the hacksaw ? Silly boy,he didn't think when he set out to murder 5 people that all were capable of dialling 999.

Because that would give away they were all murdered by someone from outside the house.  He instead removed the bedroom phone ad that worked, no one was able to dial 999 before being killed.

If Sheial planned to committ murder suicide it would make no difference even if they managed to call police.  By the time police could arrive it would be too late.

Only someone who planned to escape form the scene and try to avoid liability for the crime would cut a phone line and fear being outed to police. 

[Alias]

All victims had more than two gunshot wounds - how daft do you have to be to stage a two-shot victim as a suicide?

[Jan]

And if it was by accident then he would have been crapping himself when the police went in because he would have thought they would have known it was not suicide IMMEDIATLEY - that and the alleged  "staged scene" and those experienced officers would have been on to him.

[lookout]

 That's another thing if he'd been guilty standing outside with the police,he'd have suffered an involuntary movement of bladder/bowels with the thought that Sheila might not be dead.

[Jane]

That's another thing if he'd been guilty standing outside with the police,he'd have suffered an involuntary movement of bladder/bowels with the thought that Sheila might not be dead.

If he'd gone to the trouble of shooting her twice, I imagine he'd have known, beyond a shadow of doubt, that life was extinct

[mertol22]

Why would a farm worker use a hacksaw on the bathroom window (the marks matched the blades). Then dump it outside ?

A more simple question. Why would a farm worker use a hacksaw at all ?

I mentioned a farm worker I never said who , but Jeremy was a farm worker so he could had left it there either forgetting or not bothering to return from obtained, a close up image of the blade would tell volumes as to when it was last used.

[scipio_usmc]

All victims had more than two gunshot wounds - how daft do you have to be to stage a two-shot victim as a suicide?

Either she moved and screwed up his first shot or he messed up and held the gun almost level at her neck which resulted in the bullet going from the front to back of her neck. 

Her holding the gun level at her neck at non-contact range certainly makes no sense and would be difficult to pull the trigger. If one is honest and unbiased it is one of the things indicating someone else shot her.  The lack of GSR is another.  The moderator even more powerful and then the fact she cna't have moved her own body after she shot herself.

But biased people suggest the impossible happened and also Jeremy would never make such a mistake...

 

[Adam]

Reading the judges summing up again, I did not remember that Bamber admitted using the hack saw. Saying he used it after the massacre.

The judge quite rightly asked the jury to consider whether he used it prior to the massacre. To ensure a quiet entrance.

[Adam]

It does seem more likely he would use the found hacksaw pre massacre. To ensure a quiet entry on the night.

Rather than use it in the short period after the massacre and before the police found it.

After the massacre he could have just got the keys from BW, AE or Stan Jones. Or had another set of keys cut for him.

[Adam]

I thought Bamber told police he knew lots of ways to get into WHF. Through locked and unlocked windows using just a pen knife. 

So why would he need a hacksaw after the massacre ?