Video about Julie Mugford

[lookout]

I always thought of the guy when I heard that song " My Brother ",because it was his signature tune.

[Caroline]

Caroline I am sure you get what I am talking about? If the relationship was dying, then why would he tell her all this? In other words if their relationship was dying then do you not think it rather strange that he would have divulged all this to her. In other words isn't it odd that he should entrust all this information to her? Would he REALLY have taken that chance?

Presumably the relationship wasn't dying when he started telling her of his plans to kill his parents a year previous. All seemed fine up to the point of the deaths, it was after the murders when things seemed to take a nose dive. I think it would have been to his advantage not to have told Julie he was involved and let her believe that Sheila was responsible but perhaps he wanted someone to know how clever he was - it wouldn't be the first time that a killer has bragged about his/her crimes.

[Jan]

Presumably the relationship wasn't dying when he started telling her of his plans to kill his parents a year previous. All seemed fine up to the point of the deaths, it was after the murders when things seemed to take a nose dive. I think it would have been to his advantage not to have told Julie he was involved and let her believe that Sheila was responsible but perhaps he wanted someone to know how clever he was - it wouldn't be the first time that a killer has bragged about his/her crimes.

That is true - having watched  mummys little murderer  - the guy boasted how he was going to kill his girlfiriend and the move he was going to use was practised on his friend - who thought he was joking. But he did not support him after he actually committed the crime.

[susan]

Hello Caroline

maybe at one stage she was part of the plan after all she did get the sleeping tablets  for him and perhaps because of this he was confident she would never "grass" him up as she would implicate herself in the crime
just a thought. She saw co-operating with EP would get her off the hook for her other offences and he could say nothing without implicating himself.Whatever was said during their phone call on the fateful night was just his and her word.

[ngb1066]

Response to JL:  I am not responsible for anything which appears on the official websites.  I have not said anything which indicates that I "condone" the comments made.  I do not see what bearings my qualifications have in relation to this.  If you want to discuss it I suggest you do so here, rather than having a cross forum conversation, which is always hard to follow.

[JackiePreece]

Hello Caroline

maybe at one stage she was part of the plan after all she did get the sleeping tablets  for him and perhaps because of this he was confident she would never "grass" him up as she would implicate herself in the crime
just a thought. She saw co-operating with EP would get her off the hook for her other offences and he could say nothing without implicating himself.Whatever was said during their phone call on the fateful night was just his and her word.

And Susan maybe she made the whole thing up

Where were her tears ever?

She was an expert in deceiving everyone
The police
The relatives
Colin

Did anyone ever accuse her of being involved

There is no good supposing anything about Mugford unless you can prove when she is telling the truth
If not
It's likely she made the whole thing up

[susan]

Jackie you could well be right I just try and think of different scenario's with regard to Julie.  Why did she give him sleeping tablets strange thing to do if indeed she did I can only go on what I read on here I have not watched the video.  As I stated to Adam yesterday when he said she was just being helpful identifying the twins in the morgue if she had been more helpful sooner it would not have been necessary to visit the morgue at all.

[scipio_usmc]

And Susan maybe she made the whole thing up

Where were her tears ever?

She was an expert in deceiving everyone
The police
The relatives
Colin

Did anyone ever accuse her of being involved

There is no good supposing anything about Mugford unless you can prove when she is telling the truth
If not
It's likely she made the whole thing up

Why would she make up the claim he told her about a hitman?  She knew Jeremy had no alibi. If she wanted to lie and just make the whole thing up she would have made up that he admitted he did it himself.  She would not make up a hitman story and if she were going to make up a hitman though she had no reason to she woudl have just said he never told her who the hitman was.  Naming a guy she knew would be able to clear himself would not hurt Jeremy at all.  It woudl be downright stupid to make up a hitman claim and identify someone who coudl clear himself and thus in the process help prove Jeremy didn't hire him as claimed.

In the meantime there is considerable evidence that corroborates her claims including Jeremy having no good reason for calling her at all at 3A let alone to call her before police and then lie about it and say he called police first.   Evidence that Sheial coudl not have killed herself of the others, evidence that he staged the bullets int he kitchen after the murders and made up the story of leaving the gun out.  You ignore all that because you don't want to face reality.

[scipio_usmc]

Jackie you could well be right I just try and think of different scenario's with regard to Julie.  Why did she give him sleeping tablets strange thing to do if indeed she did I can only go on what I read on here I have not watched the video.  As I stated to Adam yesterday when he said she was just being helpful identifying the twins in the morgue if she had been more helpful sooner it would not have been necessary to visit the morgue at all.

She siad he couldn't sleep at night so she gave him the tablets to help him sleep.  She siad instead he consisdered using them on his family and apparently interpreted them as a gesture she was trying to help him which:

1) explains in part why he still kept telling her about his plans- he thought she was onboard with those plans

and

2) with the benefit of hindsight demonstrates he was actually seriously planning to kill them

[scipio_usmc]

She was not being helpful to anyone offering to visit the morgue

It's sick whichever way you look at it
If jeremy is innocent or guilty her behaviour is disgusting

Still I think she has got her comeuppance and if you don't know what I am talking about ask your author mate whose book will likely never see the light of day

She was helping Jeremy because he could have potentially given away he was the killer when he saw them.  So even more help than in the usual sense of sparing someone grief. 

[susan]

Scipio I thought Jeremy was going to drug his family then set fire to the house then decided the antiques were under insured so many different stories.

[Jane]

She siad he couldn't sleep at night so she gave him the tablets to help him sleep.  She siad instead he consisdered using them on his family and apparently interpreted them as a gesture she was trying to help him which:

1) explains in part why he still kept telling her about his plans- he thought she was onboard with those plans

and

2) with the benefit of hindsight demonstrates he was actually seriously planning to kill them

She also tells us that she went to HER doctor and told him she was stressed and couldn't sleep and he obligingly wrote her a prescription for sleeping pills -she appear to have gone to great lengths to tell Jeremy this- she apparently took one token pill after which she said they didn't work. Knowing that he'd been throwing the idea around to rid himself of his family, UNLESS she was complicit with the idea -recalling that she MAY have blamed them for talking Jeremy out of marrying her and PERHAPS thinking that all he intended was to send them to sleep for a time and cause them to be sick- WHY, if she wasn't taking them, did she take them with her to Jeremy's cottage?

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio I thought Jeremy was going to drug his family then set fire to the house then decided the antiques were under insured so many different stories.

That was his first idea. That helps bolster her story because she presented a long progression to his final actions.  Someone telling lies would not be able to make up such details and come up with such.  What did Jeremy do when he gave up on such plan?  He decided to get a semi-auto.  He initially wanted a semi-auto shotgun.  He siad he wanted to get into shooting birds. He was told using  asemi-auto was not sporting. So what doe she do?  He gets a 22 semi-auto because it was the only semi-auto he could get Nevill to buy.

He gave up the idea of shooting birds because Nevill would not get him a semi-auto and he only wanted to shoot birds with a semi-auto not one of their other shotguns?   That pretty much shows he wanted the semi-auto for some other reason.  He wanted a semi-auto and would not settle for anything less.  It is pretty obvious now that he wanted a semi-auto to shoot his family with.  At the time they didn't know what his deal was that he was so hung up on a semi-auto. 

The biggest problem with a fire is he could not gurantee they would all die in which case the whole effort of waiting till Sheila and the boys were there too would be for naught.  Making it look like Nevill died by flaling asleep with a cigarette would not mean the rest of the house would easily go up.  If he used an accelarant it would give away it was arson not an accident.   Killing them with a gun was the best way to make sure they all died.

 

   

[lookout]

They needn't have bothered getting/paying for the prescription for sleeping pills as June had enough of them for her sleeplessness and nightmares which she suffered from.
EP took away a quantity of medication but omitted to say what.

[Mr. Gee]

Repose to JL:  I am not responsible for anything which appears on the official websites.  I have not said anything which indicates that I "condone" the comments made.  I do not see what bearings my qualifications have in relation to this.  If you want to discuss it I suggest you do so here, rather than having a cross forum conversation, which is always hard to follow.

I'm afraid you'll always get them misquoting something on that forum. Either that or they will try and implicate you in something someone else has said.