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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #255 on: October 09, 2014, 04:26:PM »
No I'm not talking about making things up. I was thinking rather of their memories. They would probably have put their heads together and said something like, "I remember him saying this, what have you got?" etc.

Yes, I agree.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #256 on: October 09, 2014, 05:11:PM »
I think scipio has just recounted in another thread how that pocket books are usually made up at the end of the day and that he found it very difficult to recount everything accurately. He even pointed out discrepancies in the pocket book of Myall.

Indeed at the end of their day is when they would record what they did that day.  They would try to recall the times they did things and what they did.  Obviously they would not remember conversations to the letter but rather the conversations they had in general including what stood out to them as the most significant aspects.  They would remember asking him about the guns in the house, whether SHeila coudl use them and whether Sheila would be more likely to shoot the police or Jeremy but not recall every single word used during such conversation they would recall the main points.

The answers affected how they behaved and what course of action they took so they had a reaosn to remember.  They considered having Jeremy go with them to the door with them.  But upon Jeremy saying she knew how to use all the guns in the house, while in a crazy rage could potentially shoot people she encounters and they didn't get along well together and thus she be even more apt to shooting at the police and him if he accompanied them, the hope of using him to help talk her down faded and they instead decided to call armed help.   

Times contained are most likely to be approximate times because it is difficult to remember to the minute.  There are occasions you look at a clock or your watch and recall having done so and recalling the ime to the minute but such is rare.  You usually just remember appoximate times.

You can't expect a pockebook to be too the letter or to the minute.  In turn you can't expect statements wtitted subsequently to be to the letter or minute unless th epolice actually went to look at official records detailing times and includes them. Just going by memory with refreshing from a notebook is not likely to result in being able to recall everything to the letter.

Jeremy supporters do one of 2 things.  Either they attack for not being to the letter, Reader for instance, and try to suggest that means they are making hings up or lying because everything should be to the letter with no paraphrasing or the like otherwise they attack police for lying in their notebooks and statements based on nothing more than such supporter needing the claims to be untrue in order for Jeremy to be innocent or for their arguments in favor of Jeremy's innocence to be true.

Reader insists Nevill called and that West destroyed the log he made of the call and when filling out his pocketbook omitted including any reference to the call in order to pretend it never happened.  Reader can't come up with any rational reason why he would do such though.  Police did not suspect Jeremy at the time he fille dout his pocketbook.  Worse though Reader suggests that as soon as jeremy called him that West decided to conceal Nevill's call and destory the log relating to it.  He decided to use Jeremy's call as a tool to enable him to erase all record of Nevill's call and thus he didn't tell Jeremy that Nevill called and asked Jeremy for information he already obtained from Nevill, placed Jeremy on hold to pretend he was dispatching police as a result of Jeremy's call and contacted bonnett to tell Bonnett to also ommit all references to a call from nevill and to pretend they dispatche dpolcie because of a call fro Jeremy.

Jeremy supporters have wild tales that make no snese and are totally unsupported by any evidence. Instead of following the evidence they claim the evidence was all fabricated down to their pocketbook entries except in those rare instances where they feel they can twist the meaning of a pocketbook entry and try to pretend it supports their claims.  In that instance they say the pocketbook entry is true and just mischaracterize what it means.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #257 on: October 09, 2014, 05:21:PM »
 I'd believe Jeremy before I'd ever believe you !!

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« Reply #258 on: October 09, 2014, 05:42:PM »
I'd believe Jeremy before I'd ever believe you !!

You also believe any claim that supports Jeremy no matter how much evidence exists that proves such claim to be untrue.  When you do such all it deomonstrates is you are biased and irrational nothing more.  Choosing to believe proven lies doesn't somehow transform those lies to the truth it just makes you a sad character.   
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #259 on: October 09, 2014, 05:47:PM »
 There's NO evidence that he murdered anyone.!

Okay,I'm a sad character----------what's it got to do with you  ?  Just because you can't manipulate and control my thoughts ? You're the saddo !

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #260 on: October 09, 2014, 05:50:PM »
The only original notes I have seen on here from an officer that was with Jeremy does not say that he said Sheila was proficient with guns.


The only time I can see that EP started attributing the very strong indication that Sheila was some kind of crack shot was in September. By that time they had changed their focus plus had been under pressure for their handling of the case.

If anyone believes that they are not above "embellishing " their statements in order to cover why they did not go in sooner - or to make it look like Jeremy was retracting things he said at the scene - then I think you are not aware of the history of the police force in the 80s. I am not saying they did but I think they is a very strong possibility that they were trying to cover themselves because of the way events had unfurled on the night. And I make that comment irrelevant of whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent.


Why would Jeremy say something at the scene and then immediately retract it - that would have flagged up a problem immediately if the police had any wits about them at all.

All he had to do in his call was say he thought he had heard a shot being fired and he would have set the "siege situation" immediately .

When We see ( if ever ) the police statements / notes from the day of the incident I would be willing to change my mind.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #261 on: October 09, 2014, 05:55:PM »
The only original notes I have seen on here from an officer that was with Jeremy does not say that he said Sheila was proficient with guns.


The only time I can see that EP started attributing the very strong indication that Sheila was some kind of crack shot was in September. By that time they had changed their focus plus had been under pressure for their handling of the case.

If anyone believes that they are not above "embellishing " their statements in order to cover why they did not go in sooner - or to make it look like Jeremy was retracting things he said at the scene - then I think you are not aware of the history of the police force in the 80s. I am not saying they did but I think they is a very strong possibility that they were trying to cover themselves because of the way events had unfurled on the night. And I make that comment irrelevant of whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent.


Why would Jeremy say something at the scene and then immediately retract it - that would have flagged up a problem immediately if the police had any wits about them at all.

All he had to do in his call was say he thought he had heard a shot being fired and he would have set the "siege situation" immediately .

When We see ( if ever ) the police statements / notes from the day of the incident I would be willing to change my mind.

But Jeremy has never denied saying it Jansus.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #262 on: October 09, 2014, 06:00:PM »
There's NO evidence that he murdered anyone.!

Okay,I'm a sad character----------what's it got to do with you  ?  Just because you can't manipulate and control my thoughts ? You're the saddo !

I don't care one bit that you are too biased to eve rbe rational about this case.  I do care when you post lies and assert your pathetic beliefs as facts.

I continually post the evidence that proves Jeremy's guilt.  Anytime I do you post the childish response, "that doesn't prove his guilt"

You can't refute any of the evidence you just post the whopper of a lie that the evidence listed doesn't prove anything.

It is irratoonal to claim that evidence which proves Sheila could not have killed herself or anyone else and that Jeremy tried to frame Sheila doesn't prove Jeremy did it.  It clearly does.

You wish Jeremy were innocent and want to pretend he is but can't refute the evidence so you just childishly dismiss it instead.

Then worse you shout from the rafters that anyone posting such evidence is lying and manipulating though the one lying and manipulating is you.

You go beyond just sayig it is your opinion he is innocent because you biased opinion doesn't mean a hill of beans.  You insist he is innocent and attack those who post evidence to prove his guilt.  You either post lies to try to establish he is innocent or no support whatsoever or say, "that is not evidence there is no evidence he did anything".

You are an ineffective advocate who largely acts as a troll here not one who ever has added something substantive to the debate.

 

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #263 on: October 09, 2014, 06:09:PM »
The only original notes I have seen on here from an officer that was with Jeremy does not say that he said Sheila was proficient with guns.


The only time I can see that EP started attributing the very strong indication that Sheila was some kind of crack shot was in September. By that time they had changed their focus plus had been under pressure for their handling of the case.

If anyone believes that they are not above "embellishing " their statements in order to cover why they did not go in sooner - or to make it look like Jeremy was retracting things he said at the scene - then I think you are not aware of the history of the police force in the 80s. I am not saying they did but I think they is a very strong possibility that they were trying to cover themselves because of the way events had unfurled on the night. And I make that comment irrelevant of whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent.


Why would Jeremy say something at the scene and then immediately retract it - that would have flagged up a problem immediately if the police had any wits about them at all.

All he had to do in his call was say he thought he had heard a shot being fired and he would have set the "siege situation" immediately .

When We see ( if ever ) the police statements / notes from the day of the incident I would be willing to change my mind.

You mean pockebook entries that detail in general what they did during the day and times but don't contain reocunting every conversation they had with everyone throughout the day?

You seem to be suggesting any details not in their pocketbooks that are later asserted in a statement can't be true and must be lies.

I presented statements from 5 different cops who say Jeremy told them Sheila fied the wepaons before an dknew how to use them.  The specifically asked Jeremy if she knew how to find out if they were in danger of being shot by her.  he knew that is why they asked and he said yes.  They also asked about his relaitionship with Sheila to see if she would be scared to shoot at police with Jeremy among them and whether Jeremy could help them try to talk her down.  He responded they di dnot liek eachother and did not get on well.

This left the police with no choice but to call for armed help because she was armed with wepaons she ocudl use while they had none to use to defend themselves with and Jeremy was wholly worthless in keeping her from shooting them or knocking at the door to tlak to her and try to talk her into surrendering. 

You are so busy trying to defend Jeremy that you ignore facts and dispaly no common sense or logic at all when looking at the situation.
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #264 on: October 09, 2014, 06:19:PM »
But Jeremy has never denied saying it Jansus.

I did not want to read his statements again but this is what I was referring to .




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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #265 on: October 09, 2014, 06:19:PM »
at his trial i belive he said limited knowledge of guns.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #266 on: October 09, 2014, 06:21:PM »
But Jeremy has never denied saying it Jansus.

but acording to the police statement he dident.

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #267 on: October 09, 2014, 06:21:PM »
I did not want to read his statements again but this is what I was referring to .

That sounds like someone trapped and not knowing how to get out of it - "No comment" Personally if someone was telling me I'd said something I hadn't, the air would be blue and far from not commenting, I'd have plenty to say!  :)
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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #268 on: October 09, 2014, 06:22:PM »
"To threaten the dog..."  ::)

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Re: Jeremy's court testimony:
« Reply #269 on: October 09, 2014, 06:26:PM »
That sounds like someone trapped and not knowing how to get out of it - "No comment" Personally if someone was telling me I'd said something I hadn't, the air would be blue and far from not commenting, I'd have plenty to say!  :)

All I was saying is that he did deny some words the police had attributed to him regarding Sheila and her handling of the guns.

I agree he came across as looking down at the police in the interviews and far to cocky.


Considering if he murdered them all he knew about the two shots to Sheila  I don't think he would come across as he did - it looked like he thought they were joking , trying to wind him up - hence the stupid remark about the dog. He did not do himself any favours.