Jeremy's court testimony:

[nugnug]

the fact is he never questioned sheilas guilt untill Jeremy was arrested.

so he certainly believed sheila could of used a gun.

[lookout]

Lookout, I'm not arguing for argument's sake but do we know categorically that it was "at the drop of a hat" or was it that, after years of putting up with erratic behaviour, he'd reached the end of his, OK, perhaps NOT very long, tether.

I do personally think that the marriage was rather short-lived and I haben't read anything to the effect that they were trying to solve their differences for the sake of the twins,if nothing else.
He must have known prior to marrying Sheila that she could be a handful,as her depression was already lying dormant.
I noticed that he hadn't got a good word to say about June,but she wasn't the one he married,so I'd have said he should have sorted things out better than he did. " For better,for Worse " ?

[Mr. Gee]

Hello nugnug  just been reading Colin's book and he did say she knew nothing about guns and she could not even make a cup of coffee without spilling the coffee everywhere and making a mess.  Must add his words not mine.

Sounds like my daughter.

[Mr. Gee]

Susan, you're right. When we believed that Jeremy was innocent we excused him just about EVERYTHING. I feel that now, where possible, the same leniency should be granted others and, again where possible, we should try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't. I knew what he was like. I know quite a few people like him and they are not murderers. Personally I can't see the point of this character assassination only to make him look like the typical murderer.

[Mr. Gee]

the fact is he never questioned sheilas guilt untill Jeremy was arrested.

so he certainly believed sheila could of used a gun.

Yes he certainly did or he wouldn't have remarked, "She's finally done it". But then I should think if someone really wanted to use a gun it wouldn't take much to figure it out?

[Jane]

I do personally think that the marriage was rather short-lived and I haben't read anything to the effect that they were trying to solve their differences for the sake of the twins,if nothing else.
He must have known prior to marrying Sheila that she could be a handful,as her depression was already lying dormant.
I noticed that he hadn't got a good word to say about June,but she wasn't the one he married,so I'd have said he should have sorted things out better than he did. " For better,for Worse " ?

Lookout, I've said on MANY previous occasions that theirs was a marriage which should NEVER have happened. IMO, it was a divorce in the making from the start. He appears to have been "nudged" into it by "circumstances". She appears not to have known what domesticity was about and neither appears to have understood compromise OR that relationships have to be worked at. I think it's an old chestnut that daughters' husbands DON'T like their ma's in law but I think Colin's resentment of June went somewhat deeper. Maybe it was she who insisted on their marriage and she who orchestrated it...................having said that, whether he liked it or not he seems to have done very well financially out of June so maybe he got the "For richer" bit right.

[susan]

Mr. Gee  Since I posted information from Colin's book the poor man has been challenged to the effect how would he know he was always drunk and he had affairs etc.,he was not a good husband.  Colin is the first to admit all of these things but I think the book shows a different side to Jeremy Bamber and I think that as this is a forum for debate I am not making any assassination on Jeremy Bambers character but just repeating what a man who knew him has said and he is not the first person to talk to me about him in this way. As I said earlier every post I have made from the book has been discredited by forum members.  I am sure when Colin heard of the horrendous deaths at WHF his thinking would not have been very clear and he may be just believed everything the police told him.

[Jane]

I didn't. I knew what he was like. I know quite a few people like him and they are not murderers. Personally I can't see the point of this character assassination only to make him look like the typical murderer.

As do I, which COULD be why some of us felt such a need to defend him. I can accept that I was wrong and that he's probably guilty but I DON'T see the need to make him OVER guilty.

[lookout]

Susan,buy Claire Powells' book and read what she says about Sheila---------it's an eye-opener and I don't know where her information on her came from.
I wouldn't dare say some of the things,and it's not like me  ,,but it's rather disrespectful too.

[susan]

HaHaHa is that the moth eaten old book you told me about earlier that I could get for 2p from Amazon.  Will go and look and see if I can buy it without a mortgage.

[Jane]

Susan,buy Claire Powells' book and read what she says about Sheila---------it's an eye-opener and I don't know where her information on her came from.
I wouldn't dare say some of the things,and it's not like me  ,,but it's rather disrespectful too.

Lookout, I would never have had you down as being one of those who accepts, lock, stock and barrel, what flows from the pens of authors. Unless they had known personally the person of whom they write, they would have had to get information from others, ALL of whom will have had agendas.

[susan]

lookout forgot to ask the title of the book

[Mr. Gee]

Mr. Gee  Since I posted information from Colin's book the poor man has been challenged to the effect how would he know he was always drunk and he had affairs etc.,he was not a good husband.  Colin is the first to admit all of these things but I think the book shows a different side to Jeremy Bamber and I think that as this is a forum for debate I am not making any assassination on Jeremy Bambers character but just repeating what a man who knew him has said and he is not the first person to talk to me about him in this way. As I said earlier every post I have made from the book has been discredited by forum members.  I am sure when Colin heard of the horrendous deaths at WHF his thinking would not have been very clear and he may be just believed everything the police told him.

Hi Susan. The thrust of my post was that I knew what he was like from the beginning. I've always said that I didn't like him because of the way he treats people I know. But supporters of him still didn't think he was as bad as some say. But it wasn't the character of Bamber I was defending it was his innocence. Personally I can't think why some keep going on about his character as it has nothing to do with the fact of his being guilty?

[lookout]

Lookout, I would never have had you down as being one of those who accepts, lock, stock and barrel, what flows from the pens of authors. Unless they had known personally the person of whom they write, they would have had to get information from others, ALL of whom will have had agendas.

I take it with a large pinch of salt,April, though I often wonder where,or who these people have gathered their information from when it is said that they've done their " research ?".
It would have seemed that Claire Powell had known the relatives as she described DB as being and upright,honest,salt of the earth character,and you can only speak like that when you actually know someone personally,and not of them.

[Jane]

Hi Susan. The thrust of my post was that I knew what he was like from the beginning. I've always said that I didn't like him because of the way he treats people I know. But supporters of him still didn't think he was as bad as some say. But it wasn't the character of Bamber I was defending it was his innocence. Personally I can't think why some keep going on about his character as it has nothing to do with the fact of his being guilty?

Mr Gee I can go along with the last statement ONLY as far as being a sweetie pie who loves children, animal and old ladies, is an abstainer who gives a % of his income to charity, doesn't NECESSARILY mean he COULDN'T murder OR being an obnoxiously arrogant swine who kicked animals, screwed around faithlessly, took pennies from children, didn't tip waiters or hairdressers, doesn't NECESSARILY mean he COULD murder.