The reason no one else was rang by Jeremy at 3am.

[lookout]

What happened to the rifle which Neville had kept under his bed because of threats months before the tragedy. ? This,whatever it was,was the beginning of Nevilles' decline in health which he'd tried to explain to BW.
Nothing to do with Jeremy at all,otherwise Neville wouldn't have had him working at the farm,or even being at close quarters at any time.
Neville had a lot on his plate and I don't suppose he'd have worried anyone by explaining what it was,as I don't expect that Jeremy would have known.

[scipio_usmc]

What I think is my business and NOT for YOU to tell me otherwise !
What makes you think that YOUR facts are right ? The only way of knowing that is if you yourself committed the murders,plonker. Not even EP have got it right.

The evidence estbalishes Jeremy is guilty.  I have presented tha tevidenc emany times.  You have no ability to refute such evidence thus no rational basis to disregard it but do anyway because of bias.  That is where we stand at the end of the day.

Your inability to refute such evidence means you have no ability to disprove my claims and worse that there is no basis for Jeremy's conviction to be overturned.

Unless and until the key evidence against Jeremy can be refuted before to the Court of Appeal Jeremy is not going anyway. Jeremy supporters can't even do such on a message board though so the hope his legal team can do so in Court is rather unrealistic.

But hope springs eternal so some will still hope something one day is found to help refute th eevidence.  In the meantime saying he is innocent despite having no ability to refute the evidence against him amounts to blind faith.

Some Jeremy supporters ar enot content admitting they operate based on blind father and distort and claim there is evidence already know that refutes Jeremy's guilt but can't produce any evidence that actually does so.

[Jan]

June was shot with her head on the pillow. So was almost certainly asleep when shot.

By coincidence, Neville was also shot in/by the bed. Right next to June. Before running downstairs.

really -? One of the guilters this week said he was shot from inside the bedroom - but he was not in it. ?

Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree

[susan]

jansus why would we all be expected to agree we all have our own opinions we are not a pack mentality.

[guest154]

Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree

Agree with what? We're not part of a team. I agree with people who think that Bamber is guilty and with people who think he is innocent.

You think he is likely innocent but do you agree with everything posted by Lookout, Mr Gee etc?

[Jane]

really -? One of the guilters this week said he was shot from inside the bedroom - but he was not in it. ?

Its really difficult when the guilters cant even agree

Equally so when the "innocents" can't either, wouldn't you say? :D

[Jan]

The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.

Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.

If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.

It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .

And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.

So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.

[Alias]

The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.

Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.

If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.

It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .

And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.

So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.

Brilliant, jansus.

[Jane]

The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.

Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.

If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.

It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .

And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.

So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.

I imagine anyone with half a brain, from which ever side of the divide, regard that as complete bollocks. It's entirely because it was NEVER black or white/cut and dried that we're here now.

[Patti]

The difference is that those of us still asking questions don't put ourselves up as experts and state we Know what the answers are.

Where as there are certain posters who state that their answers are factual and we are all ignorant if we can not see their "truth" for we are all deceiptful liars.

If you going to say you know exactly what happened it should not be that difficult to agree why he is guilty.

It is being proposed by certain guilters that it is totally black and white. The police never told one lie , they know where everyone was shot, they know what blood should be on whose clothes , they know that the shooter would have very specific injuries .

And yet it appears they can not agree on some basics.

So perhaps their perception of our ignorance is not all it seems.

Brilliant post Jansus...X

[Jane]

I imagine anyone with half a brain, from which ever side of the divide, regard that as complete bollocks. It's entirely because it was NEVER black or white/cut and dried that we're here now.

Jansus, just to clarify that in NO way was I being critical of your excellent post........................in case you wondered

[John]

Jeremy could have phoned any of the nearby relatives at 3am. Or BW, or the Folkes's who lived at WHF. Or any of the other farm workers. They could have met him on site.

He had a good relationship with all of them at the time. The relatives later coming to the conclusion Sheila was not capable of committing the massacre.

Instead he phoned Julie. Simply saying 'Everything is going well. There is something wrong at the farm. I haven't slept all night. Love you lots'. Julie in Lewisham was harmless. But she needed to be with him and kept an eye on. Soon.

When asked why he didn't phone anyone else he simply said 'It did not occur to him'.

The real reason is they could refute what he was saying to the police at WHF. Those hours with the police were vital. He had to create a siege situation, insinuate Sheila and deflect attention from himself. That would be hard if AE or RB were saying Sheila had trouble putting sugar in coffee. Or the police were spending time speaking to other people.

The relatives had to be seen. Later. Julie had to whisked over to WHF. Later. But from 3.48am - 9am Jeremy needed the police's undivided attention.

He ddn't phone the others because they would have forced entry into the house immediately and that would have spoiled his illusion that there was a madwoman running around the rooms with a rifle.

[tyler]

Actually,if anyone has forced entry sooner and JB had not long killed them,wouldn't that have kind of backed up his story better,as in Sheila had killed them all and herself after Nevill's call and given JB the alibi or having been at Goldhanger at the crucial time?

[lookout]

Jeremy would NOT have been aware at the time that Sheila would have been capable of killing,and because his father had rang to say that she had a gun wouldn't have meant,to him,that she was about to use it on " all " of them. He didn't use her " madness " as an excuse !
No,no,no,Jeremy WASN'T the killer ! Mothers who kill !! It was virtually unheard of in the 80's.

[Jane]

Jeremy would NOT have been aware at the time that Sheila would have been capable of killing,and because his father had rang to say that she had a gun wouldn't have meant,to him,that she was about to use it on " all " of them. He didn't use her " madness " as an excuse !
No,no,no,Jeremy WASN'T the killer ! Mothers who kill !! It was virtually unheard of in the 80's.

Maybe so, but was that any excuse for diddling around making spurious calls. If he wasn't worried that she'd use the gun, he could at least have got himself over there to check it out.