A night of 'mysterious' phone calls and alleged phone calls:

[lookout]

Adam,are you by any chance sending me SPAM mail ??

No answer came the firm reply. It can be traced.

[Adam]

No answer came the firm reply. It can be traced.

Why would I send you spam mail ?

[Patti]

If he committed the massacre. He would want Julie there ASAP. He rang her at 3am for gods sake.

Ringing her at 5am ensured she arrived early. Ringing her late morning after making breakfast and giving his statement meant he would have no one to boast to for most of the day.

So 'one 10p' was needed.

If he had wanted Julie there then why did he not askl her this when he phoned her at 3:15?

How would he know that the police would not call her themselves. How could it be possible for him to know in advance that they would ask him if he wanted anyone there with him?  It was not until the declaration of a siege was in place by the police that this prompted the police to ask in the first place.

It could have turned out differently of course. Bews could have banged on the front door of the farm, looked in every window to access the situation, but he didn't.  Its not practical to take a member of the public round the farm on a rekkie if the police thought there were any danger to them or the person with them. 

[Adam]

If he had wanted Julie there then why did he not askl her this when he phoned her at 3:15?

How would he know that the police would not call her themselves. How could it be possible for him to know in advance that they would ask him if he wanted anyone there with him?  It was not until the declaration of a siege was in place by the police that this prompted the police to ask in the first place.

It could have turned out differently of course. Bews could have banged on the front door of the farm, looked in every window to access the situation, but he didn't.  Its not practical to take a member of the public round the farm on a rekkie if the police thought there were any danger to them or the person with them. 

He can't send a police car to Julie's at 3.00am. The police had not even arrived at WHF.

But at the earliest opportunity, Julie was whisked from Lewisham to Essex.

Well if the police didn't ask him, he could ask the police. Which is what Bews said did happen. Jeremy leaving the crime scene to find a call box.

[Jane]

He can't send a police car to Julie's at 3.00am. The police had not even arrived at WHF.

But at the earliest opportunity, Julie was whisked from Lewisham to Essex.

Well if the police didn't ask him, he could ask the police. Which is what Bews said did happen. Jeremy leaving the crime scene to find a call box.

But can we entirely trust what Bews says. Isn't it, in part, because of some of what he said, that questions were raised?

[Patti]

He can't send a police car to Julie's at 3.00am. The police had not even arrived at WHF.

But at the earliest opportunity, Julie was whisked from Lewisham to Essex.

Well if the police didn't ask him, he could ask the police. Which is what Bews said did happen. Jeremy leaving the crime scene to find a call box.

No, but he could have asked her to come, nonetheless. Apart from telling her his plan and saying that tonight it the night she told him to go to bed. She did not believe that Jeremy had done anything for 4 weeks after....It was not until she caught him on the telephone to an old flame that she threw a wobbly...

It mattered nothing to her that he may have killed 5 people, what really hurt her was him arranging to meet up with his ex girl friend.  This is when the tables turned and this is when she went to police with her story and then sat half naked after the trial and posed for a photo shoot for the NOTW and got 25 thousand pounds for doing so.....

Don't get me wrong Adam, it would have been difficult for her to have stuck by him at the onset with what she claimed to know. But, when you go and identify two little boys who died for no reason at all, surely this would have changed her mind immediately and not the call to his ex. Sorry for the bluntness. 

[Adam]

But can we entirely trust what Bews says. Isn't it, in part, because of some of what he said, that questions were raised?

I didn't know that about Bews. Have you got a source ?

Anyway. Jeremy asked if he could phone Julie at 5am. Several hours before anyone knew what had happened. This was at the earliest available time for him. Bews did say he made this offer.

Jeremy had one 10p to call Julie with.

He left the crime scene, probably for a long period to find a call box and make the call. Saying 'a police car is going to pick you up'.

There is no evidence that the police had agreed to pick Julie up. They had not determined the situation.

[Jane]

No, but he could have asked her to come, nonetheless. Apart from telling her his plan and saying that tonight it the night she told him to go to bed. She did not believe that Jeremy had done anything for 4 weeks after....It was not until she caught him on the telephone to an old flame that she threw a wobbly...

It mattered nothing to her that he may have killed 5 people, what really hurt her was him arranging to meet up with his ex girl friend.  This is when the tables turned and this is when she went to police with her story and then sat half naked after the trial and posed for a photo shoot for the NOTW and got 25 thousand pounds for doing so.....

Don't get me wrong Adam, it would have been difficult for her to have stuck by him at the onset with what she claimed to know. But, when you go and identify two little boys who died for no reason at all, surely this would have changed her mind immediately and not the call to his ex. Sorry for the bluntness. 

She is said to have returned to bed and "knew he'd done it"?

[Patti]

I didn't know that.

Anyway. Jeremy asked if he could phone Julie at 5am. Several hours before anyone knew what had happened. This was at the earliest available time for him. Bews did say he made this offer.

Jeremy had one 10p to call Julie with.

He left the crime scene, probably for a long period to find a call box and make the call. Saying 'a police car is going to pick you up'.

There is no evidence that the police had agreed to pick Julie up. They had not determined the situation.

The police did pick her up Adam. It is documented somewhere I have read it....Is it unusual not to have money in ones pocket or something? 

[lookout]

Why would I send you spam mail ?

I'm not asking you why you'd send them.I'm asking you have you.

[Adam]

No, but he could have asked her to come, nonetheless. Apart from telling her his plan and saying that tonight it the night she told him to go to bed. She did not believe that Jeremy had done anything for 4 weeks after....It was not until she caught him on the telephone to an old flame that she threw a wobbly...

It mattered nothing to her that he may have killed 5 people, what really hurt her was him arranging to meet up with his ex girl friend.  This is when the tables turned and this is when she went to police with her story and then sat half naked after the trial and posed for a photo shoot for the NOTW and got 25 thousand pounds for doing so.....

Don't get me wrong Adam, it would have been difficult for her to have stuck by him at the onset with what she claimed to know. But, when you go and identify two little boys who died for no reason at all, surely this would have changed her mind immediately and not the call to his ex. Sorry for the bluntness. 

How is Julie supposed to get from Lewisham to Essex at 3am ?

[Mr. Gee]

He obviously wanted Julie there. Whisking her over first thing in the morning. After Bews said he requested that he phone Julie.

Wow! Good job he never had a hole in his pocket then. You would no doubt you'd have called it yet another mystery.

[Patti]

How is Julie supposed to get from Lewisham to Essex at 3am ?

Friends car?

[lookout]

Taxi ? Pay at other end----------Jeremy was loaded !

[Patti]

Taxi ? Pay at other end----------Jeremy was loaded !

He only had 10 pence...lol