Devastation on Publication of the News of the World Article

[Mr. Gee]

The NOTW approached Julie after realising Jeremy may be found guilty. They needed a back up exclusive.

Julie could have demanded the same fee as Jeremy. They would have to pay it if Bamber got convicted and the NOTW wanted an exclusive. Or they would have nothing.

But she settled for 25k. A lot less than Bamber. However Bamber still moaned to his lawyers on the morning of the verdict about his NOTW deal.

Oh well that's ok then.

[Mr. Gee]

Why would he need help in executing five sleeping people ( with a silencer). Of which two were women & two were 6 six year old.

It would have been even easier for Sheila then? There were only 2 sleeping adults 2 of them children.

[mertol22]

It seems such a article can still generate lively debate , its clear Alias has a split view and for a long time , without fresh withheld data I can see such a view remaining for some time but like it or not one question still exists to this day how could someone sink so low for the cash? it was not a question of morals because anyone with some would not do such a thing, back then and today it still goes on .

[Adam]

It would have been even easier for Sheila then? There were only 2 sleeping adults 2 of them children.

But Neville was awake. Ringing Jeremy and saying 'Come quickly, Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. And then ringing the police.

So not so easy for Sheila.

However June was shot with her head on the pillow. So almost certainly asleep. Just as the twins were asleep. Neville shot right beside her by/in the bed, before running downstairs and leaving everyone. So perhaps both were asleep. But then how could it be Sheila ?

[Adam]

It seems such a article can still generate lively debate , its clear Alias has a split view and for a long time , without fresh withheld data I can see such a view remaining for some time but like it or not one question still exists to this day how could someone sink so low for the cash? it was not a question of morals because anyone with some would not do such a thing, back then and today it still goes on .

Obviously what Bamber did was much worse. Trying to sell his story (and pictures) twice. Being rejected once and being unable to provide his 'explosive' story upon conviction. It was his own immediate family he was trying to make money on so inexcusable.

Although Bamber has constantly been in the media over the last 29 years saying Sheila did it and blaming the relatives and police. They certainly are explosive claims.

Although he has been careful not to criticise none of the massacred people, even Sheila. But it's too late, his hatred and resentment towards them was apparent to a lot of people pre massacre.

[susan]

Adam not sure what Colin thought I think he walked home from WHF   Caroline put a very interesting post up awhile ago read it very good theory. Colin mentioned in the book that Jeremy left a party in the huff and walked home about 20 miles away.

[lookout]

Adam not sure what Colin thought I think he walked home from WHF   Caroline put a very interesting post up awhile ago read it very good theory. Colin mentioned in the book that Jeremy left a party in the huff and walked home about 20 miles away.

Did Colin also mention that at times he was too drunk to take his wife home ?

[susan]

Morning lookout  Colin is in no way excusing himself from this horrendous tragedy.  On reflection he feels he let Sheila down and his boys and he has to live with the guilt for his part in the sad events and he seems very genuine.   He talks of himself being drunk and how he let lovely Sheila down

[lookout]

 Susan,Sheila was let down and forgotten by everyone. Even towards the end her friends were making their excuses because they couldn't get over the change in her,and all thought she'd become " odd " as she'd also reverted back to being deeply religious.
Some friends,eh ? June just poo-pooed her illness and more or less had no sympathy saying in as many words " that she had to get over her own ".Marvellous !! Imagine being cold-shouldered by everyone.It's enough to send anyone mad.

[susan]

lookout I do agree poor Sheila was let down by the system and friends. I think she would have had support from Ralph as she was close to him but Colin is of the opinion that June was jealous of the relationship between Ralph and Sheila and did her best to put a stop to it.

[lookout]

 The letter that Sheila had sent to AE from her hospital bed,would you not have thought that the recipient of that letter would have acted on it ? I would. The poor woman was wanting someone to talk to at that point,she had nobody,not even her father this time,who she'd spend all night on the phone to at times,just for company. How desperate does a person have to be to resort to that ?
I don't think anyone realises that Sheila was crying out for help.

[Mr. Gee]

But Neville was awake. Ringing Jeremy and saying 'Come quickly, Sheila's gone crazy and she's got the gun'. And then ringing the police.

So not so easy for Sheila.

However June was shot with her head on the pillow. So almost certainly asleep. Just as the twins were asleep. Neville shot right beside her by/in the bed, before running downstairs and leaving everyone. So perhaps both were asleep. But then how could it be Sheila ?

Yes that is true I must admit. But because of the timescale that scipio pointed out I am skeptical as to whether Nevill phoned the police and unti or if further evidence comes to like to the contrary then that will remain my opinion. Of course I might be wrong?

[Jane]

Susan,Sheila was let down and forgotten by everyone. Even towards the end her friends were making their excuses because they couldn't get over the change in her,and all thought she'd become " odd " as she'd also reverted back to being deeply religious.
Some friends,eh ? June just poo-pooed her illness and more or less had no sympathy saying in as many words " that she had to get over her own ".Marvellous !! Imagine being cold-shouldered by everyone.It's enough to send anyone mad.

Lookout, this is a carousel of sadness. It's VERY possible that friends gave up on Sheila because they couldn't reach her and they didn't have the knowledge and tools to help her. We all know that "care in the community" is mostly PANTS. Communities aren't equipped to care for those suffering mental illness. It's hard enough, if one HAS the training, to be with someone who's depressed, let alone those with more complex problems.

[lookout]

Yes that is true I must admit. But because of the timescale that scipio pointed out I am skeptical as to whether Nevill phoned the police and unti or if further evidence comes to like to the contrary then that will remain my opinion. Of course I might be wrong?

Mr G,my argument is that whether Neville phoned or not,it still wouldn't have been a cast iron alibi because of the silencer debacle,because you'd still have the doubters saying it was Jeremys' voice and not Nevilles',even if it HAD been Neville,genuinely.
So as far as I'm concerned,it matters not either way. Neville may have rang,but it's no big deal if he hadn't have done,is the way I see it. Whatever happened,Jeremy was daft enough to have rang the police,and they were alerted.
I wonder if Jeremy's ever thought it was the dumbest thing he ever did,looking back over the years. He may as well have just turned over and gone back to sleep for all the trouble it brought him.

[Mr. Gee]

Mr G,my argument is that whether Neville phoned or not,it still wouldn't have been a cast iron alibi because of the silencer debacle,because you'd still have the doubters saying it was Jeremys' voice and not Nevilles',even if it HAD been Neville,genuinely.
So as far as I'm concerned,it matters not either way. Neville may have rang,but it's no big deal if he hadn't have done,is the way I see it. Whatever happened,Jeremy was daft enough to have rang the police,and they were alerted.
I wonder if Jeremy's ever thought it was the dumbest thing he ever did,looking back over the years. He may as well have just turned over and gone back to sleep for all the trouble it brought him.

Hi lookout. In my humble opinion Jeremy was not looking for and obviously didn't need am alibi. Let's face it, if he had been planning this thing for a year as Mugford says he was then if he was looking for an alibi he would most certainly have thought up a more convincing one. After all how pathetic is a pretending to get a phone call from your father in the middle of the night and then repeating it to your girlfriend over 60 miles away and could not back up anything he said?
It is obvious to the most biased mind that this was not meant to be an "alibi". I've never heard anything so absurd in all my days.