Devastation on Publication of the News of the World Article

[lookout]

Lookout, this is a carousel of sadness. It's VERY possible that friends gave up on Sheila because they couldn't reach her and they didn't have the knowledge and tools to help her. We all know that "care in the community" is mostly PANTS. Communities aren't equipped to care for those suffering mental illness. It's hard enough, if one HAS the training, to be with someone who's depressed, let alone those with more complex problems.

April,what was wrong in someone approaching Sheilas' doctor and explaining to him/her their findings on how Sheila had appeared ? There are times,like this,when it's good to interfere,then at least the GP has a note of it,even if it's not acted upon. The likes of AE should have done that very thing being Sheilas' aunt and showing concern. Once it's left with the GP,then you've done your duty.

[Caroline]

Hi lookout. In my humble opinion Jeremy was not looking for and obviously didn't need am alibi. Let's face it, if he had been planning this thing for a year as Mugford says he was then if he was looking for an alibi he would most certainly have thought up a more convincing one. After all how pathetic is a pretending to get a phone call from your father in the middle of the night and then repeating it to your girlfriend over 60 miles away and could not back up anything he said?
It is obvious to the most biased mind that this was not meant to be an "alibi". I've never heard anything so absurd in all my days.

And yet it almost worked. You're right his alibi is dumb especially especially as more recently, when he realised it wasn't working for him, he changed the time of his call to allow for the phone call from Neville. I guess Jeremy thought it was a good alibi to pretend he was home when it all happened and leaving the phone off the hook so no one could contact WHF. The jury obviously thought it was absurd too.

[guest154]

And yet it almost worked. You're right his alibi is dumb especially especially as more recently, when he realised it wasn't working for him, he changed the time of his call to allow for the phone call from Neville. I guess Jeremy thought it was a good alibi to pretend he was home when it all happened and leaving the phone off the hook so no one could contact WHF. The jury obviously thought it was absurd too.

It was a ncie try at an alibi, and it almost worked, I agree. But it has changed recently, very telling.

[Jane]

April,what was wrong in someone approaching Sheilas' doctor and explaining to him/her their findings on how Sheila had appeared ? There are times,like this,when it's good to interfere,then at least the GP has a note of it,even if it's not acted upon. The likes of AE should have done that very thing being Sheilas' aunt and showing concern. Once it's left with the GP,then you've done your duty.

Yes, Lookout. In a perfect world all those things would have undoubtedly happened. Can you give me ONE good reason why AE, Sheila's cousin, by the way, who had NO knowledge of Sheila's day to day life and lived roughly 50 miles away from her, should take it upon herself to be Sheila's carer. The chances are Sheila's friends who lived nearer to her didn't know who was her doctor.

[lookout]

 Jeremy was/is intelligent,but--------------------clever he wasn't.Certainly not clever enough to have carried out 5 murders.
Clever is leaving no stone unturned,which didn't appear to be the case with one thing and another. Anyone else as daft as he was would have held up their hands and shouted " It was me " ! If he'd committed the crime,he may as well have done just that.
Doris Foulkes was right. Jeremy didn't have the gumption,so she knew him.

[Caroline]

Jeremy was/is intelligent,but--------------------clever he wasn't.Certainly not clever enough to have carried out 5 murders.
Clever is leaving no stone unturned,which didn't appear to be the case with one thing and another. Anyone else as daft as he was would have held up their hands and shouted " It was me " ! If he'd committed the crime,he may as well have done just that.
Doris Foulkes was right. Jeremy didn't have the gumption,so she knew him.

Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.

[Jane]

Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.

 

[lookout]

Which is why he got caught! You don't need to be clever to carry out 5 murders and get caught. The clever part is NOT getting caught.

So you don't have to be mad to carry out murders,nor clever either,so what does one have to be.? 

[Caroline]

So you don't have to be mad to carry out murders,nor clever either,so what does one have to be.? 

Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.

[guest154]

Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.

& greedy with the belief that you're smart enough to get away with it.

[Caroline]

& greedy with the belief that you're smart enough to get away with it.

I agree, he 'thought' he was clever enough but just didn't think it through. He might have talked about killing his parents for a year but I think the whole plan was carried out on the spur.

[lookout]

Oooooh,I don't think either fits the category. :D

He knew money wasn't that far away with grannie old and frail and June benefitting,who'd naturally have either given or loaned money to Jeremy if he'd needed it for anything specific.

Because Jeremy wasn't the murdering kind,any attempt on his part would have landed him in prison which he very likely would have known,as he would also have known that any thoughts of gaining anything from such a crime would also be quashed,as it's immediately relinquished.

[Caroline]

Oooooh,I don't think either fits the category. :D

He knew money wasn't that far away with grannie old and frail and June benefitting,who'd naturally have either given or loaned money to Jeremy if he'd needed it for anything specific.

Because Jeremy wasn't the murdering kind,any attempt on his part would have landed him in prison which he very likely would have known,as he would also have known that any thoughts of gaining anything from such a crime would also be quashed,as it's immediately relinquished.

It did 

[lookout]

It did 

Unwittingly.Surprisingly, Shockingly,and above all, Unfairly.

[JackiePreece]

Well in Jeremy's case - desperate to inherit.

Jeremy showed no sign whatsoever that he was desperate to inherit

He had savings in the bank and was not in debt to anyone

Jeremy was going to inherit anyway which was clear from Junes letter.  Those parents loved both children and there is not a shred of evidence Jeremy was going to be cut out of his parents will