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Offline Adam

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Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« on: September 25, 2014, 07:53:PM »
Hartley's recent post of the post trial police interview says Jeremy's fingerprints were on the silencer.

Jeremy said the silencer was not on the rifle when he went to shoot rabbits.

Wasn't the rifle quite new ? Are there any witnesses that saw Jeremy ever use the rifle with the silencer on ?

He was not really into guns as far as I know. He also did not have access to WHF unless let in by Neville or June. Neville being very wary of Jeremy and worried about dying in a shooting accident.  So unlikely to leave guns lying around for him.

Why would Jeremy want a gun with a silencer on prior to the massacre? He was a farm labourer. There were plenty of other guns around anyway.

It seems that using a silencer was not an important factor for Jeremy. After all he went out to shoot rabbits without it on.

If he did ever use the rifle with the silencer on, he would no doubt not bother taking it off. He was very lazy and there is not much point in taking it off. The rifle was used for shooting vermin, and needs a silencer to be more effective.

So funny how the silencer with Jeremy's fingerprints on,  ended up in a box. Behind and underneath boxes, guns and dartboards at the back of the gun cupboard.

The same silencer with his fingerprints on also had Sheila's,  Neville's and June's blood in. And June's DNA. And paint marks.

The police never said Sheila's fingerprints were on the silencer.

« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 08:10:PM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2014, 08:19:PM »
Everyones' prints were on the silencer---------depending which one of the 5 you mean.

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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2014, 08:28:PM »
Everyones' prints were on the silencer---------depending which one of the 5 you mean.

The silencer I am talking about is the one with Sheila's, June's and Neville's blood on. And June's DNA. And paint marks. Oh and Jeremy's fingerprints.

Five silencers fitting that specific rifle ? Were there five of the same rifle at WHF ? Or just one rifle and five silencers ?

The rifle and silencer were quite new. So who is everyone ?

And please provide sources.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 08:32:PM by Adam »
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 08:31:PM »
As I said-----------there were 5 silencers.

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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 08:33:PM »
Why not find out about the two rifles which were handed in by a relative from someone who didn't wish to be named ?

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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2014, 08:36:PM »
I have not seen evidence regarding his prints being on the moderator but unless his prints were in blood it doesn't mean much because he touched it in the past and his print could have gotten on it at that time.  If it were in blood that would be proof that he touched it at the time of the murders as opposed to just some time in the future that makes no difference.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2014, 08:39:PM »
Why would Neville take the silencer off. Then put it in a box. Then put it behind and underneath other boxes, guns and even a dartboard at the back of the gun cupboard ?

The silencer was essential for the rifles main purpose of shooting vermin. So would need to be in constant use and available.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2014, 08:46:PM »
Kick a man when he's down why don't you ?

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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 08:48:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,728.0.html

This is the link that says Jeremy's prints were on the silencer.

The thread post is asking at what time would he have touched the silencer which the prosecution say was attached to a new rifle ?

Not when he shot rabbits.

Not in his everyday life as a farmer.

Not when at WHF alone. He did not have a key.

Not when Neville was around as he was wary of Jeremy.

Not when he did actually use the rifle. As it seems he would use it without a silencer. So would not bother putting one on.

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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 08:52:PM »
Why would Neville take the silencer off. Then put it in a box. Then put it behind and underneath other boxes, guns and even a dartboard at the back of the gun cupboard ?

The silencer was essential for the rifles main purpose of shooting vermin. So would need to be in constant use and available.

Nevill wouldn't but that is a different question than fingerprints on the moderator.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 08:55:PM »
If the silencer was already on the rifle when he ever used it, there is no reason to touch the silencer.  Unless he was taking it off. But there is no way he would bother doing that. It was not his rifle or house and it still fitted in the gun cupboard.

If Jeremy did take the silencer off, he would not put it where it was found. Unless he had an ulterior motive.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2014, 09:36:PM »
I have not seen evidence regarding his prints being on the moderator but unless his prints were in blood it doesn't mean much because he touched it in the past and his print could have gotten on it at that time.  If it were in blood that would be proof that he touched it at the time of the murders as opposed to just some time in the future that makes no difference.

Me either.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2014, 09:38:PM »
Me either.

I just posted a link on this thread.

The post verdict police interview, the police said Jeremy's fingerprints were on the silencer.
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2014, 09:45:PM »
If the silencer was already on the rifle when he ever used it, there is no reason to touch the silencer.  Unless he was taking it off. But there is no way he would bother doing that. It was not his rifle or house and it still fitted in the gun cupboard.

If Jeremy did take the silencer off, he would not put it where it was found. Unless he had an ulterior motive.

He could have picked up the gun at various times by holding the moderator.  The notion that he would never ever touch the moderator except to remove it or attach it is false.

If they never ever used the gun with the moderator then in that case he would have no cause to touch it at all and you might have some point.   
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Re: Jeremy's fingerprints on the silencer: Certain guilt ?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 09:59:PM »
He could have picked up the gun at various times by holding the moderator.  The notion that he would never ever touch the moderator except to remove it or attach it is false.

If they never ever used the gun with the moderator then in that case he would have no cause to touch it at all and you might have some point.   

Yeah I suppose he could have put his fingerprints on it prior to the massacre. My thread post is giving lots of reasons why he wouldn't.

If there were no fingerprints of Jeremy's on the silencer, he would be making a big fuss on his OS claiming he never touched it.

But he can't.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 10:02:PM by Adam »
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