A Very Important Question

[JackiePreece]

Maybe Ngb can help with this

Jeremy was convicted on a 10-2 majority on circumstantial evidence

If Mugfords now deal was known about I am sure he would have walked


Nobody anywhere knows if Jeremy murdered his family

Ngb at the time Jeremy was called to the guvnors office and told his sentence had been reviewed and would now be a whole life tariff, was this unusual?

Do you know if this happened to any other people serving life for murder?

Or were the authorities determined Jeremy would never get out of prison to show people he had been wrongly convicted

Ngb do you know of any other cases that can be compared to this one

[ngb1066]

Maybe Ngb can help with this

Jeremy was convicted on a 10-2 majority on circumstantial evidence

If Mugfords now deal was known about I am sure he would have walked


Nobody anywhere knows if Jeremy murdered his family

Ngb at the time Jeremy was called to the guvnors office and told his sentence had been reviewed and would now be a whole life tariff, was this unusual?

Do you know if this happened to any other people serving life for murder?

Or were the authorities determined Jeremy would never get out of prison to show people he had been wrongly convicted

Ngb do you know of any other cases that can be compared to this one

I agree that the fact that the jury were misled about Julie Mugfords deal with the NoW, and about the circumstances in which she came to be used as a prosecution witness, is serious and had they known the truth the verdict may have been different.

As far as the sentence is concerned it was unusual for a judge's recommendation to be ignored by the Home Secretary, but it did happen in other cases.  An example is Myra Hindley.  The trial judge recommended 30 years but the Home Secretary subsequently increased that to a whole life tarrif.

 

[lookout]

I know that Judge Drake presided over the Carl Bridgewater case--------------and he was wrong about that,busy praising the police for their " thorough " work !! Yeah ! Four guys were in jail ( one of them died there ) for 18 years before their sentences were quashed.

[Roch]

There should be some kind of Judge / Professional league table for controversial cases , suspected MOJ's, proven MOJ's.

I suspect if enough info was collated, a pattern might appear that indicated if any individuals were corrupt or incompetent.

[Reader]

Nobody anywhere knows if Jeremy murdered his family

Surely Jeremy knows!

[JackiePreece]

I agree that the fact that the jury were misled about Julie Mugfords deal with the NoW, and about the circumstances in which she came to be used as a prosecution witness, is serious and had they known the truth the verdict may have been different.

As far as the sentence is concerned it was unusual for a judge's recommendation to be ignored by the Home Secretary, but it did happen in other cases.  An example is Myra Hindley.  The trial judge recommended 30 years but the Home Secretary subsequently increased that to a whole life tarrif.

Ngb so it is very rare by the sound of it

Did Myra hindley plead guilty

[ngb1066]

Ngb so it is very rare by the sound of it

Did Myra hindley plead guilty

No, she pleaded not guilty.  She protested her innocence for a long time, then confessed to the murders for which she was convicted, and two others.

[JackiePreece]

I thought they had recordings with her voice

[ngb1066]

I thought they had recordings with her voice

They did.  The evidence against her was overwhelming.

[nugnug]

wasnt it Micheal howard who increased the tariff to life.

[ngb1066]

wasnt it Micheal howard who increased the tariff to life.

It was for Jeremy Bamber.  I can't remember who it was for Myra Hindley.

[Roch]

Neil, do you feel there would be any merit in a meticulous recording system for the performance of Judges and court professionals, in a similar manner to the way that other professionals are scrutinised? For example the performance of hospitals and doctors can be scrutinised.  This can lead to discoveries regarding malpractice.

Do you believe that some judges and other court professionals* are in the pocket of certain forces that be, sometimes loosly described as 'the establishment'?   *Experts that provide opinion, or oversee judicial processes for example pathologists or coroners.

Is it possible that Judges and other court professionals could be open to blackmail by the security services, for example because of their sexual preferences? 

Is it possible that a similar dynamic to induce corruptive practice among judges / court professionals could be career advancement?

In your opinion is it possible in some cases, to have the result arranged beforehand, behind the scenes?

Could judges more likely to be linked to MOJ's or controversial cases be flagged in the course of time, due to some kind of recording system?

[Jo]

Jackie,
Myra Hindley confessed to her crimes while in prison.

Roch,
I think it would be impossible for a judge lead CCRC set up because the system is so old school, it won't change and within this judges, forensics, police et al don't want (or like) to break ranks which is why they rarely do so, obviously it happens but not much even when the evidence tells them, it's like the crime fits the 'guilty' person.

[nugnug]

a tariff is set on the assumption of guilt so weather you admit to the crime or not shouldn't make any difference.

[Adam]

Jeremy had a deal with the NOTW which pre-dated JM's deal.

His deal was for £40,000 which was given because the NOTW didn't believe him to be guilty and thought it would be a big scoop for them to have the story of a someone who had faced trial on a case that had gotten a great deal of attention.

The deal was put together by David Montgomery but then something happened. The higher ups at the NOTW realised Bamber was guilty, they'd been saying this in their paper that Bamber was guilty for some time previous but there was always a belief that there was a great chance that Jeremy would get away with it, even if he was guilty due to the evidence.

But then when the belief changed and that Bamber may get found guilty, they realsied that they wouldn't be paying £40,000 and wanted to have a story to print, an exlcusive - so who was the next best thing? Julie.

Her agreement was signed AFTER Jeremy's which is something most people don't know, in fact most people do not know Jeremy had a deal in place, he did. 

Montgomery worked with Julie too on her deal and found her to be much easier to deal with as Jeremy would often make phone calls to the news team in the lead up to him signing his agreement and he would bitch and moan about the sum of £40,000. Even on the verdict day he moaned to his lawyers.

Jeremy wanted more - 100k. He told the NOTW it would be an explosive story. Julie settled for a lot less.