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« Reply #90 on: September 26, 2014, 04:10:PM »
It is far worse when a person doesn't know or understand how the system works. When I think of this sort of thing,I always think back at that poor man Stefan Kizshko when he was being questioned whether the police knew or realised that the man was a bit " backward ",poor soul.
What an easy catch he was ! That was criminal.

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« Reply #91 on: September 26, 2014, 04:45:PM »
But if as you say the killer had bloodspatter on him from his victims, if he got out of a window wouldn't there have been a very real chance that he would have transfered some of that bloodspatter onto the window or the sill?

Only if the blood was on his hands and wet.  Blood doesn't transfer from clothing to objects unless there is a considerable amount of wet blood. Spater is droplets that soakes into the clothing and it dries fairly quickly.

I don't believe Jeremy would go home with blood on his body. He washed any blood off his body.  How would it look if someone happened to be outside as he was walking into his house and saw blood on his body?  It also would have been wise to bring a change of clothing and dispose of the clothing on the way home but whether he did we have no way to know. Even if he didn't though his clothing would not be likely to drip blood onto anything.

Most if not all spatter would have been from the first 2 victims.  Jeremy didn't just bolt out the door after killing everyone, he staged the bullets, bible and other things. Both of these gave time for the blood to dry before he left.

I personally think Jeremy was stupid and kept a spatter stained jacket and just tried to wash it but at the same time was very lucky that it was tested so late that the blood had already deteriorated too much. Police found a jacket that has red marks that looked like spatter when they searched his house.  He calime dit wa spaint.  When you paint you get a couple of drops not a ton of hem closeby unless you flick your fingers through the bristles of a brush in a direction way from your body so that as the bristles snap ack they fling a lot of drops in close proximity.  Why would anyone do that though? It is much more likely given the circumstances that it was spatter than that he did the aforementioned with a paint brush. He washed it and that combined with the time was enough to prevent them from getting any test results. With today's technology he would not have been as lucky.

If police had been wiser and searched his house close to the time of the murders he would have been busted over this if it was indeed spatter.

I honestly wonder why so many criminals keep spatter stained clothing with the intention of washing it.  It makes no sense to me and yet it is a common occurrence.         
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« Reply #92 on: September 26, 2014, 05:10:PM »
a duty solicter is better than no solicter if you don't know what your doing.

and most people dont.

Very true.


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Re: involvement of special branch.
« Reply #93 on: September 26, 2014, 05:14:PM »
It is far worse when a person doesn't know or understand how the system works. When I think of this sort of thing,I always think back at that poor man Stefan Kizshko when he was being questioned whether the police knew or realised that the man was a bit " backward ",poor soul.
What an easy catch he was ! That was criminal.

they knew that perfectly well they also knew he was innocent they just dident care.

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« Reply #94 on: September 26, 2014, 05:16:PM »
they knew that perfectly well they also knew he was innocent they just dident care.





Bless the poor man and his mother,nugs.The strain and worry killed them both.

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« Reply #95 on: September 26, 2014, 08:53:PM »




It certainly does happen this way.

It simply is not true that duty solicitors are in 'cahoots' with the police. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.

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« Reply #96 on: September 26, 2014, 09:24:PM »
I heard you first time !

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« Reply #97 on: September 26, 2014, 09:36:PM »
I heard you first time !

How about respecting my answer then instead of querying it?!

Obviously unless u have expert inside knowledge of the relationship between duty solicitors and the police!

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« Reply #98 on: September 26, 2014, 10:02:PM »
How about respecting my answer then instead of querying it?!

Obviously unless u have expert inside knowledge of the relationship between duty solicitors and the police!





I have no knowledge of the inside of a police station let alone knowledge of any relationship between duty solicitors and the police,,but it goes to show that one shouldn't believe everything one reads in links/newspapers and the like,and I mean EVERYTHING ! It was actually written by a solicitor,so do I disbelieve everything they say ?
Maybe it was sour grapes on his part that he didn't get the case,I don't know.


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« Reply #99 on: September 26, 2014, 11:47:PM »
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It simply is not true that duty solicitors are in 'cahoots' with the police. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.

Not all of them you mean.
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« Reply #100 on: September 26, 2014, 11:54:PM »
Only if the blood was on his hands and wet.  Blood doesn't transfer from clothing to objects unless there is a considerable amount of wet blood. Spater is droplets that soakes into the clothing and it dries fairly quickly.

I don't believe Jeremy would go home with blood on his body. He washed any blood off his body.  How would it look if someone happened to be outside as he was walking into his house and saw blood on his body?  It also would have been wise to bring a change of clothing and dispose of the clothing on the way home but whether he did we have no way to know. Even if he didn't though his clothing would not be likely to drip blood onto anything.

Most if not all spatter would have been from the first 2 victims.  Jeremy didn't just bolt out the door after killing everyone, he staged the bullets, bible and other things. Both of these gave time for the blood to dry before he left.

I personally think Jeremy was stupid and kept a spatter stained jacket and just tried to wash it but at the same time was very lucky that it was tested so late that the blood had already deteriorated too much. Police found a jacket that has red marks that looked like spatter when they searched his house.  He calime dit wa spaint.  When you paint you get a couple of drops not a ton of hem closeby unless you flick your fingers through the bristles of a brush in a direction way from your body so that as the bristles snap ack they fling a lot of drops in close proximity.  Why would anyone do that though? It is much more likely given the circumstances that it was spatter than that he did the aforementioned with a paint brush. He washed it and that combined with the time was enough to prevent them from getting any test results. With today's technology he would not have been as lucky.

If police had been wiser and searched his house close to the time of the murders he would have been busted over this if it was indeed spatter.

I honestly wonder why so many criminals keep spatter stained clothing with the intention of washing it.  It makes no sense to me and yet it is a common occurrence.       
I wasn't aware of that? If they were eager enough to get him convicted surely they would have taken the jacket? Don't they test for blood with ultra violet light?

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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2014, 12:10:AM »
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Not all of them you mean.

None are. Quite the reverse is true as duty solicitors make it much harder for the police.

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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2014, 12:15:AM »
None are. Quite the reverse is true as duty solicitors make it much harder for the police.
As I explained, they are their to represent their client and to help them. They are not connected with the police or employed by them.

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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2014, 12:17:AM »
None are. Quite the reverse is true as duty solicitors make it much harder for the police.

You cannot say 'none are' without facts to back this up!


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« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2014, 12:52:AM »
As I explained, they are their to represent their client and to help them. They are not connected with the police or employed by them.

I am well aware of the role of a duty solicitor!

That's why I have corrected lookout and steph