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Offline Adam

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Did Jeremy love farming ?
« on: September 20, 2014, 10:34:AM »
This is an important question. Jeremy said himself in court Neville's will meant he would have to stay on the farm in order to inherit. If he did not like farm work, potentially another 20 years stuck on WHF would be a nightmare.

I have never met a young man who liked working 14/17 hours a day outside in the English weather. Unless they were earning millions.

However Jeremy's supporters have always said he loved farming.  The evidence points in the opposite direction.

After leaving Gresham's without any qualifications, he spent a year at college, again doing poorly.  He then spent a year travelling, staying with Neville's relatives. Deciding he wanted to be a diver and instructing June to send over £1,500.00.

After completing the diving course he briefly returned to WHF. Only to go back abroad to attempt to become a commercial diver. A medical condition meant this was not possible and Jeremy returned home.

(If anyone has a source that Jeremy worked on a farm while abroad, please provide it. It has often been claimed he did)

Once back at WHF, Jeremy did not work as a farmer although he lived at WHF. Preferring to do other low paid jobs.

He did eventually work on WHF for a short period after realising the low paid jobs were going nowhere. But did not like farm life either and suddenly returned abroad for another long period.

From late 1983 he worked on WHF, although people said his heart was not in it. But he stayed as a farmer, telling Julie he had too much to lose by walking away. He wanted a bigger share in the caravan site, but Neville said he had no business sense.

By 1985 Neville said Jeremy was improving, however Jeremy's wages and long working hours were preventing him from living the playboy lifestyle he wanted. The caravan site break in gave him some short term relief.

Jeremy has not said much on the subject of whether he loved farming. Is there any evidence showing he did ?
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 11:01:AM by Adam »
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2014, 10:54:AM »
This is an important question. Jeremy said himself in court Neville's will meant he would have to stay on the farm in order to inherit. If he did not like farm work, potentially another 20 years stuck there would not be something he would relish.

I have never met a young man who liked working 14/17 hours a day. In the English weather. Unless they were earning millions.

However Jeremy's supporters have always said he loved farming. Jeremy has not said much on the subject. The evidence points in the opposite direction.

After leaving Gresham's without any qualifications, he spent a year at college, again doing poorly.  He then spent a year travelling, staying with Neville's relatives. Deciding he wanted to be a diver and instructing June to send over £1,500.00.

After completing the diving course he briefly returned to WHF. Only to go back abroad to attempt to become a commercial diver. A medical condition meant this was not possible and Jeremy returned home.

(If anyone has a source that Jeremy worked on a farm while abroad, please provide it. It has often been claimed he did)

Once back at WHF, Jeremy did not work as a farmer although he lived at WHF. Preferring other low paid jobs. He did eventually work on WHF for a short period. But did not like it and suddenly returned abroad.

From late 1983 he worked on WHF, although people said his heart was not in it. But he stayed as a farmer, telling Julie he had too much to lose by walking away. He wanted a bigger share in the caravan site, but Neville said he had no business sense.

By 1985 Neville said Jeremy was improving, however Jeremy's wages and long working hours were preventing him from living the lifestyle he wanted. The caravan site break in gave him short term relief.

Is there any evidence showing Jeremy loved farming ?


Is there evidence he didn't ?

Most young people take time out and go travelling?

Please post further details of Jeremy instructing June to send him money for diving school

You make it sound sinister but to me Jeremy found something he loved more than farming and considered it as a career and June was willing to support his aspiration

Adam do NOT keep talking about farming as if it's the worse job in the world it's not and lots of people love it

I am up at a farm 6.30 in the morning looking after two horses before I go to work

Hard work but I love it

Most people would think farming is a much better life than sitting in an office and Jeremy didn't have somebody on his back all day giving orders

Just mum and dad
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2014, 11:12:AM »
Its documented that Jeremy talked about farming in his spare time to his ex girlfriend and to locals in the pub, and was interested in modern day farming. To this day he still reads the farming magazine.

Having sent his entire life on farm segregated from the villagers during his schooling years its possible that JB wanted to see the world and wanted to enjoy himself in his early twenties. There is nothing unusual about that, I guess.

We could debate this all day, but at the end of the day we have no idea whether or not he hated farming or not. 

What is documented is that he talked about farming and he still receives the farming magazine....Maybe this might suggest that he is still interested in farming today, but hated the long hours he had to put in while being a young man in his twenties who wanted to go out and have some fun.... :-\ :-\

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2014, 11:22:AM »

Is there evidence he didn't ?

Most young people take time out and go travelling?

Please post further details of Jeremy instructing June to send him money for diving school

You make it sound sinister but to me Jeremy found something he loved more than farming and considered it as a career and June was willing to support his aspiration

Adam do NOT keep talking about farming as if it's the worse job in the world it's not and lots of people love it

I am up at a farm 6.30 in the morning looking after two horses before I go to work

Hard work but I love it

Most people would think farming is a much better life than sitting in an office and Jeremy didn't have somebody on his back all day giving orders

Just mum and dad

The evidence he did not love farming is in my thread post.

Only going to work on WHF after realising he would not be financed for any further trips abroad. And that other low paid jobs were dead end jobs. His first stint at farming he did not like, so he went back abroad. Long days in the rain ? Not for Jeremy.

Working on WHF at least gave him the chance of inheriting. But he soon decided he was not prepared to wait. He wanted to be young enough to enjoy being rich.

It is common knowledge Jeremy wanted to be a commercial diver. How was he going to pay for the course ? He had just left college. Anyway it is in Wilkes's book. Page 38. He interviewed Jeremy.

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2014, 11:23:AM »
I can't imagine any young men Jeremys' age at the time,particularly at harvest-time,working from 6am until 9pm at night. ;D Takes them all their time to get cracking for a 9 to 5 job from what I've seen.

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2014, 11:30:AM »
The evidence he did not love farming is in my thread post.

Only going to work on WHF after realising he would not be financed for any further trips abroad. And that other low paid jobs were dead end jobs. His first stint at farming he did not like, so he went back abroad. Long days in the rain ? Not for Jeremy.

Working on WHF at least gave him the chance of inheriting. But he soon decided he was not prepared to wait. He wanted to be young enough to enjoy being rich.

It is common knowledge Jeremy wanted to be a commercial diver. How was he going to pay for the course ? He had just left college. Anyway it is in Wilkes's book. Page 38. He interviewed Jeremy.


Adam read Junes letter to her children
She adored her beautiful children
Jeremy's parents had the finances to give advantages to both children because that's what wealthy people often do

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2014, 11:34:AM »
It is documented 'somewhere' that Jeremy worked on a farm during his stay in South Africa. And I think you will find that you are wrong,Adam, that Jeremy lived at WHF whilst working at Sloppy Joe's. He lodged with,I think it was Michael Deckers?

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2014, 11:38:AM »
It is documented 'somewhere' that Jeremy worked on a farm during his stay in South Africa. And I think you will find that you are wrong,Adam, that Jeremy lived at WHF whilst working at Sloppy Joe's. He lodged with,I think it was Michael Deckers?

Yes people on here have claimed he worked on a farm while abroad. But have never provided a source.

He lived at WHF during the week and with Sue Ford at the weekends when working away from WHF.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2014, 11:40:AM »
I think it's pretty clear that there is no real evidence that he either hated or loved or was indifferent towards farming .

It's quite possible that he felt all three at different stages of his life.

Personally I don't think this has very much,  if any bearing on the case. After all he could have hated farming and be innocent,  or he could have loved farming and be guilty.

Just sayin'  :-\
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2014, 11:47:AM »
It is documented 'somewhere' that Jeremy worked on a farm during his stay in South Africa. And I think you will find that you are wrong,Adam, that Jeremy lived at WHF whilst working at Sloppy Joe's. He lodged with,I think it was Michael Deckers?

I don't think I have Deckers Statement in the library, do you recall seeing it on the forum? I think I do.  :-\

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2014, 11:51:AM »
I think it's pretty clear that there is no real evidence that he either hated or loved or was indifferent towards farming .

It's quite possible that he felt all three at different stages of his life.

Personally I don't think this has very much,  if any bearing on the case. After all he could have hated farming and be innocent,  or he could have loved farming and be guilty.

Just sayin'  :-\

It does have a bearing on the case. It was discussed in court.

Jeremy admitting that he would have to stay at WHF in order to inherit. Then agreeing he liked the finer things in life and spending money, which is why he robbed the caravan site. In other words farm work was not paying enough.

Other people testifying how he resented the raw deal he had compared to Sheila.

Anyway it is Jeremy's supporters who say Jeremy loved farming. To try to highlight innocence. Jackie saying it in her 'Jeremy was just an ordinary boy thread'.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 12:01:PM by Adam »
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2014, 11:57:AM »
It is documented 'somewhere' that Jeremy worked on a farm during his stay in South Africa. And I think you will find that you are wrong,Adam, that Jeremy lived at WHF whilst working at Sloppy Joe's. He lodged with,I think it was Michael Deckers?

You are correct. This is from JM's Sept 8th 1985 Statement.

Since I have been at university I have had several part time jobs during holiday vacation. One of the jobs was at ‘Sloppy Joes’ pizza restaurant in High Street Colchester. This restaurant also has a separate bar. I commenced working there at the end of November 1983.
The first day I started there as a waitress I met a boy named Jeremy Nevill Bamber.
He was working there as a barman. I got friendly with Jeremy who at that time was living with Michael Deckers and Malcolm Waters, Elizabeth Rimington at 2 Tusset Mews, Lexden, Colchester.
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2014, 12:00:PM »
Jeremy lived at WHF and Sue Ford at the weekend, when working at Little Chef. Source - you know where.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 12:05:PM by Adam »
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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2014, 12:04:PM »
You are correct. This is from JM's Sept 8th 1985 Statement.

Since I have been at university I have had several part time jobs during holiday vacation. One of the jobs was at ‘Sloppy Joes’ pizza restaurant in High Street Colchester. This restaurant also has a separate bar. I commenced working there at the end of November 1983.
The first day I started there as a waitress I met a boy named Jeremy Nevill Bamber.
He was working there as a barman. I got friendly with Jeremy who at that time was living with Michael Deckers and Malcolm Waters, Elizabeth Rimington at 2 Tusset Mews, Lexden, Colchester.

Thanks Hartley. I did think he lived with 2 guys,but couldnt for the life of me remember the other ones name.

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Re: Did Jeremy love farming ?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2014, 12:06:PM »
Thanks Hartley. I did think he lived with 2 guys,but couldnt for the life of me remember the other ones name.

Well done Tyler you have good knowledge of this case, its nice to see you posting.  ;) :) :) :)