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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2014, 08:15:AM »
Simple,Mike,he didn't do it.

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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2014, 05:59:PM »
Evidence contained in the original SC/688/85 file, contains information that in Sheila's case, two doctors attended the scene at different times, to pronounce her as being dead, wheress, each of the other four victims were only pronounced dead at the scene once, at 8.44am...

Police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced all five victims as being dead at 8.44am, but a Dr Harris was requested to attend the scene at around 9.20am, and pronounced Sheila as being dead, again, at 9.57am. This coincided with the 40 minute delay before the crime scene was officially handed over to SOCO at 10 O'clock...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2014, 06:19:PM »
Evidence contained in the missing SC/688/85 regarding the period between 8.15 and 9.57am, would settle Bambers culpability once and for all...

Dr Harris attended the scene and pronounced Sheila as being dead at 9.57am, when she had already been pronounced dead, by Dr Craig, earlier (8.44am)?
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2014, 06:43:PM »
Mike

what is your view , trying to look at both sides here , about the fact of neither Sheila or Jeremy having any signs of a struggle on them?

Also about Sheila not being splattered by some of the victims blood?


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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2014, 11:24:PM »
Mike

what is your view , trying to look at both sides here , about the fact of neither Sheila or Jeremy having any signs of a struggle on them?

Also about Sheila not being splattered by some of the victims blood?

In the main, the way I see it, is that there was not enough close contact between the shooter and each victim after each victim had been shot, so that blood was transferred from one to the other, with the exception of Sheila, where there is clear evidence that she was in an upright position at the time she was first shot, and horizontal at the time of the second shot - with blood splashes, clearly visible near the top right side of her nightdress, consistent with these being deposited there immediately after initially being shot before she crashed onto the floor in the kitchen...

Hope this helps...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2014, 11:28:PM »
yes it does thanks mike.


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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2014, 11:30:PM »
Everybody knows, that if there had been immediate access to the farmhouse and everyone of the five victims had all been discovered dead at around 4am, that police would have been able to tell how long Ralph Bamber had been dead, which would have either supported what Jeremy told the police in his own phone call to the police about 24 minutes previously (prior to possible first entry which in fact did not materialize). Jeremy Bamber had no way of controlling what police did once the police responded to any alert passed to the police by his father, or himself....
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2014, 12:01:AM »
What we have, are two doctors, Craig and Harris, being driven to the scene to look at the bodies of the victims, to confirm whether or not they were alive, or dead. Now, in Dr Craigs case, he was summoned to the scene in response to the discovery of only two of the five bodies, but by the time of his arrival he pronounced all five victims (8.44am) dead. This means that en route to the scene, nobody re contacted Dr Craig to alert him to the fact that there were now five dead bodies, not two. He does not appear to have been for warned by anybody that a further three dead bodies had been discovered inside the farmhouse once he had set off to the scene. Well, he did not get to the scene until about 8.44am, so there was ample time for someone in the know so to speak or elsewhere, that five victims had died in the shooting by say 8.10am, so what we have is a police surgeon, en route to the scene of a shooting to look at two bodies already claimed to be dead from as long ago as say 7.37am, yet no-one contacts Dr Craig about the find of the other three bodies, despite these allegedly having been located upstairs by 8.10am. By this time (8.10am) Dr Craig is still travelling to the scene, and does not arrive at the scene until just before 8.44am, so, for a period of about 34 minutes police at the scene are in the knowledge that there had been five bodies all believed to be dead, two bodies downstairs, the other three bodies upstairs, yet even upon Dr Craig arriving at the scene, no-one tells him there are in fact five bodies they want him to look at to confirm death in each case, Dr Craig is simply taken into the farmhouse and pronounces Ralph Bamber dead in the kitchen. His body is the only one downstairs by that stage, so off goes Craig looking for the second body he has been told about, but does not see another body until he enters the so called main bedroom, and there are now a further two bodies on top of the bed, one body the side of the other (the true version). At this time, June Bambers body was closest to the door through which Craig had been brought into the bedroom, and the body of Sheila was on the far side of the bed...

He pronounced both of these women as being dead, and it surely must have dawned upon him that there was three bodies not two that he had been called to the scene to look at and to deal with...

He was then taken into an adjoining bedroom and pronounced two children as being dead, one child in one bed, the other child in the other bed - five dead in total. Surely, it must have dawned upon Dr Craig by that stage that three people had either been shot dead after he was first requested to attend the incident, or that three further bodies had been found after he had been notified about two bodies he was required to attend the scene to deal with...

Anyway, Craig leaves the scene...

Sometime after Craig left the scene, Sheila was shot a second time, and the amount of blood which rushed from this second wound almost certainly confirmed that Sheila had not been dead at 8.44am when Craig had pronounced her as being dead. She had remained alive barely for at least another 45 minutes or so, by which stage Dr Craig and the two ambulance crews had all left the scene. This led to a Dr Harris being contacted and requested to attend the scene to examine a body, not five bodies, but only one. The body he looked at, and which he pronounced as dead at 9.57am was the body of Sheila Caffell, who by this stage had two bullet holes on her neck...

Sheila was pronounced dead at the scene twice, once by Dr Craig at 8.44am at a time when her body had been on top of the far side of the bed with only a solitary wound on her neck, and secondly, she was pronounced as being dead by a Dr Harris at 9.57am, by which stage Sheila's body was then laid on the bedroom floor alongside the edge of the bed, but with two bullet wounds on her neck - Dr Harris' bloodied fingermarks were were left upon Sheilas neck close to the second bullet wound, and also upon the front lower right hand side of her blue nightdress...

This is what really happened...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2014, 12:15:AM »
Police, SOCO, and DPP are withholding the information about Dr Harris' involvement with the body of Sheila Caffell at the scene. He pronounced her as being dead when her body was laid out on the bedroom floor alongside the edge of the bed, at a time when she had two bullet holes in her neck, and fresh running blood streaming from the wound, but none leaking from the lower second wound also on her neck. Evidence exists on crime scene photographs which were taken after Dr Harris visited, viewed and had physical contact with Sheila's throat, and nightdress. Blood continued to leak from the last wound long after Dr Harris tried to stem the flow of blood running out from new wound by use of his fingers, evidence of which can clearly be seen in these aforementioned photographs...
« Last Edit: September 20, 2014, 12:17:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2014, 12:26:AM »
This discrepancy, between Dr Craigs account (disclosed), and Dr Harris' account (withheld) concerning when death was pronounced, where the body of Sheila had been at the time of each of their examinations, and how many bullet wounds were present upon her throat / neck at 8.44am, and 9.57am, establishes beyond doubt and question, that Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister, nor stage manage her body to make it look like she had taken her own life - how could Jeremy have done this when Sheila had been pronounced as being dead at 8.44am with only one bullet wound to her neck, and pronounced dead a second time at 9.57am with two bullet wounds on her neck?

Key to quashing these convictions, rests with the pronouncement of death in the case of Sheila Caffell, once at 8.44am, and secondly at 9.57am, at times when she had only been shot once, and then twice...

Mystery of who shot who, is now resolved, Jeremy Bamber did not play any role in his sisters death...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2014, 08:07:AM »
Blood from the second wound which poured from it, over ran bloodied fingermarks pressed against the wound in an effort to stem the flow from it - yet police, and DPP refuse to release the explanation for this having happened. The only thing we do know, is that on the first occasion when Dr Craig pronounced Sheila as being dead, is that Craig himself did not carry out a physical examination of the body, because he said there was no need to, so he was not responsible for placing his fingers against the second (as yet un inflicted) bullet wound. Craig arrived at his wrong conclusion because there was hardly any trace of blood which had run from the solitary wound on her neck, which mistakenly led him to believe that the victims heart had stopped beating. He did not see any second bullet wound at all on Sheila's neck when he pronounced her as being dead, and he did not see any fresh blood running from the as yet un inflicted second wound, or at 8.44am he would not have pronounced her as being dead - he would have pressed his fingers (as Dr Harris later had) against the gaping wound to try and stem the blood from running out, in an attempt to try and keep her alive...

At 8.44am, there was only a very small amount of blood which had trickled out of the single bullet wound on her neck, a fient trail of blood which appeared to have run vertically down her neck, which offered no visible signs to him that she was still alive at that time. However, he must surely have wondered as he looked down upon the body of Sheila on the bed, why there was so little blood which had run vertically down the throat, yet her body was laid out horizontally on the bed?

There is more...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2014, 08:22:PM »
It beggars belief that the prosecution managed to convict Bamber as the killer, without any evidence to place him at the scene, at the time of the shootings...

Nobofy should be convictrd based purely on what so and so, believes - where is the evidence that puts Bamber at the scene when any one of the five victims was shot, let alone five victims?

Scandalous...
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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2014, 08:32:PM »
It beggars belief that the prosecution managed to convict Bamber as the killer, without any evidence to place him at the scene, at the time of the shootings...

Nobofy should be convicted based purely on what so and so, believes - where is the evidence that puts Bamber at the scene when any one of the five victims was shot, let alone five victims?

Scandalous...

Shame on the prosecuting authorities, and the British Criminal Justice System...

Free Jeremy Bambet, now...
« Last Edit: September 23, 2014, 08:34:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2014, 08:57:PM »
It beggars belief that the prosecution managed to convict Bamber as the killer, without any evidence to place him at the scene, at the time of the shootings...

Nobofy should be convictrd based purely on what so and so, believes - where is the evidence that puts Bamber at the scene when any one of the five victims was shot, let alone five victims?

Scandalous...
That is correct Mike no physical or forensic evidence at all. Not a trace of him was there. Some point to the "contradictions" in his statement (it is very obvious of course that they fail to see any contradiction in anybody else's testimony ie those who said he was guilty) and say because of these contradictions that he must be guilty. But let it be known that even if a man confesses to a particular crime the court has a duty to still give that man a fair trial even if he opposes himself. This was not done. In my humble opinion they prosecution failed to prove Bamber guilty through actual physical and forensic evidence. It is to these things that we must look. Not to any testimonies of interested parties, such as those who either have a grievance, or who have a vested interest in seeing him go to prison.
What I see in this case is collusion between different parties, who each had a vested interest in wanting him to be found guilty.

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Re: 98% of the evidence at trial, and appeal, nothing but bullshit...
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2014, 09:00:PM »
i cant argue with that.