What exhibits were destroyed in 1996?

[Alias]

So you are not afraid to post and you have not PMd Jackie.  Therefore that's not one is it Alias?

Do you prefer the mild mannered tone of a group of regular posters on the red forum?

I have tried to moderate this forum fairly.  Frankly there is no pleasing some people.

ngb, you said you were only aware of Grahame not wanting to post here anymore - no one else. So I thought I would let you know that I don´t like it too much here anymore and don´t post as much as I used to.
I don´t post about the Bamber case on the red forum for the exact same reason I don´t like doing it here: the name calling and plain insults from some.
I posted a case related link there that an actually mild mannered member over there asked me to do. He has done me favours - he let me steal his floorplan of whf.  But why am I justifying where I post?

I know it must be hard moderating this board. I am not trying to make a big fuss - just, I don´t particularly like having insults hurled at me every time I say something. Maybe that is my problem and I ought to rise above it, but then I would not be me. 

[No-Bits]

The problem is that time ran out and it was not possible for further tests to be carried out before the final deadline for submissions.

The further tests wouldn't have had any impact on the experts opinion, that they could tell from photographs that the gunshot wounds to Sheila were inflicted without a silencer attached to the rifle. Or at least I wouldn't have thought so, perhaps I'm mistaken.

One of the difficulties that I have, is that it would be simply relying on a person's opinion, rather than physical evidence. Somebody else may have a different opinion, you then have a game of who's the best expert.

As a lay person, I wouldn't be able to relate to, or have the ability to judge an experts opinion of this nature. It isn't tangible in a way that I can have an informed opinion, it would be a case of simply taking their word for something (which I do not routinely do in other situations).

I'm also acutely aware of expert opinions being put forward by previous legal teams, the false dawns which were consequently dismissed out of hand.

[ngb1066]

Do you think that any attempt to have Jeremy released will have any bearing on the connections that his biological father has ? Would that in any way become a stumbling block ?

I do not have any information on this.  I doubt if it has any bearing, but I may be wrong.

[Jane]

The further tests wouldn't have had any impact on the experts opinion, that they could tell from photographs that the gunshot wounds to Sheila were inflicted without a silencer attached to the rifle. Or at least I wouldn't have thought so, perhaps I'm mistaken.

One of the difficulties that I have, is that it would be simply relying on a person's opinion, rather than physical evidence. Somebody else may have a different opinion, you then have a game of who's the best expert.

As a lay person, I wouldn't be able to relate to, or have the ability to judge an experts opinion of this nature. It isn't tangible in a way that I can have an informed opinion, it would be a case of simply taking their word for something (which I do not routinely do in other situations).

I'm also acutely aware of expert opinions being put forward by previous legal teams, the false dawns which were consequently dismissed out of hand.

Surely Harters, there comes a point when all that's left is deciding for ourselves. If two experts, given the same physical evidence, come up with different conclusions, it becomes our responsibility to decide which of them we believe. Effectively they become defence and prosecution, leaving us as the jury.

[No-Bits]

Surely Harters, there comes a point when all that's left is deciding for ourselves. If two experts, given the same physical evidence, come up with different conclusions, it becomes our responsibility to decide which of them we believe. Effectively they become defence and prosecution, leaving us as the jury.

Yes you are correct, however, I guess what I'm getting at, is I can't relate to a person's view that says the gunshot wounds were caused with or without silencer attached,  I can't evaluate that because there is nothing which I can see or understand why that is the case. You have to take it in faith. Which is all the more difficult to comprehend when nobody else has been able to be certain of such an opinion over the last 30 odd years.

Where as the evidence which states Sheila's blood was found in the silencer, is quite clear and easily grasped.

The cynic in me also makes me think it is all a little too convenient.

[Caroline]

I thought he wrote you after you asked about the wallet. Didn´t you say you received (at least one) letter a while after where he seemed to have forgotten you had asked - he wrote something about the wallet and AE?

That's right I don't know the date but it was all around the same time. Within a few months of asking about the wallet, he stopped writing.

[ngb1066]

That's right I don't know the date but it was all around the same time. Within a few months of asking about the wallet, he stopped writing.

Did he fail to reply to one of your letters? 

 

[Jane]

Yes you are correct, however, I guess what I'm getting at, is I can't relate to a person's view that says the gunshot wounds were caused with or without silencer attached,  I can't evaluate that because there is nothing which I can see or understand why that is the case. You have to take it in faith. Which is all the more difficult to comprehend when nobody else has been able to be certain of such an opinion over the last 30 odd years.

Where as the evidence which states Sheila's blood was found in the silencer, is quite clear and easily grasped.

The cynic in me also makes me think it is all a little too convenient.

I can see you have a problem. We cynics make life very difficult for ourselves, don't we?

[No-Bits]

I can see you have a problem. We cynics make life very difficult for ourselves, don't we?

Indeed. 

[scipio_usmc]

There was more than one gun in that farmhouse.Why didn't Neville pick one up,Pargeters for instance,and shoot Jeremy in the legs to put him out of action ? Being that Neville was " the big,strong man " that everyone has described him as being,why wasn't he strong enough to have grappled the rifle from Jeremy and knocked him cold ?
I don't buy the fact that Jeremy wouldn't have shown any marks/injuries from the " violent " struggle in the kitchen. It would have been a fight to the finish between the two men.
No,poor Neville was trying his level best to reason with Sheila,as it's obvious that he was opposed to hitting a woman,particularly a sick one,who he wouldn't have thought was sick enough to open fire.

A young milksop of a man has no chance against a" big,strong" farmer. He'd have knocked the rifle right out of Jeremys' grasp,by immediately diverting his attention.
3 adults ? Come on----------------Sheila wouldn't have been averse to using her " psychotic powers " in order to protect her children.

1) Pargeter's rifle wasn't there, the other guns present were shotguns.

2) Your question helps establish the phone call from Nevill never happened.  Had Nevill been left alone then he would have gone to the back kitchen to get a gun and arm himself as you sugges the should have done.  The shooting started in the master bedroom and Nevill never made it to the back kitchen gun closet.  That is why he was unable to use a gun to oppose Jeremy.  For all we know he ran to the kitchen to try to get a gun but Jeremy caught up with him before he could make it to the back kitchen. 

[scipio_usmc]

So why wasn't Jeremy black and blue after the " life or death fight " ? To come away from such a fight,completely unscathed,is some feat !

The life or death fight featured Nevill trying to take the rifle away.  How would he leave marks on the killer when he was busy trying to hold onto the gun?  As soon as the killer got sole control of the gun the killer began to bash Nevill with the butt of the rifle and all Nevill could do was attempt to stop the blows.

[scipio_usmc]

Pure speculation

The physical evidence including Nevill's injuries establish there was a struggle and even Jeremy told Julie about Nevill putting up a struggle. The evidence estbalishes such it is not mere speculation.   

[lookout]

Just reading of a guy who was jailed for 15 years for alleged rape,assault and robbery with violence. He had no witnesses as to where he was at the time, though he was 12 miles away,but he couldn't  produce any evidence of his claim that it wasn't him,so he was jailed,regardless. That was in 2005 when he was jailed.
But,his DNA didn't match that which was found at the scene and his lawyer has now demanded his release.However,he's still in jail because hardly any judicial procedures have been carried out.

The real culprit had been bypassed by the Spanish police and neither the judge who first handled the innocent mans' case in Fuengirola,nor the court which condemned him in Malaga followed the police recommendation to seek further forensic evidence from Britain.

Mark Dixie is also wanted in Australia as an alleged murderer and serial rapist.

It looks like it's not only here where the powers that be won't back down,but in Spain too.
Romano van der Dusson remains locked up,even though the authorities know he's not guilty.

[scipio_usmc]

Patti

The fact is I have numerous pm messages that members will no longer post on this forum because of Caroline and her sidekicks behaviour
Her messages are rude I e rolling eyes and I will react when someone tries to stop open discussion
I am surprised if you can't see it
She thinks she is intelligent well I have my own opinion
I spend plenty of time doing work for this case and I do not have to put up with the sort of behaviour that frightens people away and I certainly don't have to sit up all night to get results
I have a life

I am still waiting for Susan to qualify how she knows Jeremy has a personality disorder because that a serious suggestion

When it comes to rude posts you take the cake.

Whether you find her caustic or not, she posts substance and discusses real facts and evidence.  You in contrast post nonsense propaganda.  You have demonstrated time and again you know only myths and nothing at all about the evidence discussed day in and out about this case.  That alone renders your posts here worthles sbecause you ar eunable to intelligently discuss what is being discussed.

Instead of discussing the evidence you just make the childish assertion there is no evidence.  I have repeatedly laid out for you the evidence that convicted Jeremy.  I challenged you to refute the evidence.  I pointed out that just disissing it doesn't make  it go away and that in order to be a competent advocate you need to refute the evidence and to be able to do that you need to fully understand it and be aware of all the relevant evidence.

Instead of attempting to become informed you just resort to the same childish tactics.  WHile NGB won't come out and say it I will- you are a totally ineffective and useless advocate on behalf of Jeremy because you are totally ignorant of all the issues necessary to be an effective advocate.   

[lookout]

The life or death fight featured Nevill trying to take the rifle away.  How would he leave marks on the killer when he was busy trying to hold onto the gun?  As soon as the killer got sole control of the gun the killer began to bash Nevill with the butt of the rifle and all Nevill could do was attempt to stop the blows.

Just as if ! A 6ft 4 seasoned farmer against a playboy ? You must be joking. Neville would have walloped him. I could have done come to that. Jeremy wasn't a fighter. Nor could he have looked after himself. What with Sheila grabbing at his face with those long manicured talons,and June joining in hitting him over the head with a pan ? NAH.!