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« Reply #765 on: October 19, 2014, 06:48:PM »
Who?





I'll find his name,but I was sure it was Collins.However I'll make sure.

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« Reply #766 on: October 19, 2014, 06:53:PM »
>>>>>>>>>>>still looking,but I do know that both Collins and Delgado weren't happy about the crime scene.

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« Reply #767 on: October 19, 2014, 06:55:PM »
Miller had stated that the rifle was by her right-hand side.He'd entered that in his notebook.

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« Reply #768 on: October 19, 2014, 07:10:PM »
No.

The evidence clearly shows what it is, and that isn't a call from Neville.  It even states where the information came from, Nevilles son Jeremy.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-manipulate-online-information-leak

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« Reply #769 on: October 19, 2014, 07:12:PM »
 I'm going for Collins anyway,as because the rifle was down by Sheilas' r/h side,he would have noticed that it wasn't on her body according to his vantage point.

Is this the same rifle which Jeapes saw at the window ? If so,how did it get by Sheilas' side ?
And why----------at one point was the tip of the rifle seen beneath her necklace on the left side,then next minute it's showing above the necklace on her chin on the left-hand side ?
Another pic shows the rifle just resting on the right side of her chin instead of the left.

Are ALL pics mirror images ? If not,then there's been movement.

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« Reply #770 on: October 19, 2014, 07:49:PM »
Miller had stated that the rifle was by her right-hand side.He'd entered that in his notebook.

Your record of always being wrong is safely intact. There was no Miller on the raid team.  There are records that show police discussed after seeing the photos whether it looked different than when they saw the scene in person.  They write after their discussions that they decided that nothing was moved. 

During the COLP investigation Woodcock claimed he though he remembered the bible further away from Sheila and that he didn't rememebr the gun being on her.  But this was many years later when his memory faded so it is understandable for him to misrecall details.   He didn't say any such thing at the time.

You should really take advantage of the resources posted in the archives of this site and to actually pay attention to what other peopel who discuss same write on here.  You said you don't care what we write you don't trust it.  The result of not trusting us and trying to learn is your details are always wrong.   

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« Reply #771 on: October 19, 2014, 07:58:PM »
 I didn't mention Miller being in the raid team--------------YOU DID !


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« Reply #773 on: October 19, 2014, 08:30:PM »
I'm going for Collins anyway,as because the rifle was down by Sheilas' r/h side,he would have noticed that it wasn't on her body according to his vantage point.

Is this the same rifle which Jeapes saw at the window ? If so,how did it get by Sheilas' side ?
And why----------at one point was the tip of the rifle seen beneath her necklace on the left side,then next minute it's showing above the necklace on her chin on the left-hand side ?
Another pic shows the rifle just resting on the right side of her chin instead of the left.

Are ALL pics mirror images ? If not,then there's been movement.

Whatever Jeapes saw was not a rifle barrel.  All she saw was something sticking up that looked narrow.  It never moved so it can't have been the murder weapon.  Ther eowuld be no way for police to find it on Sheila's body and yet for it to have still been in the window with Jeapes looking at it.  It coudl have been a broom, it could have been a shadow it could have been something else.  No photos of the room in quesiton are available so we have no way to know what it was.  We onyl know it can't have been the murder weapon.

The bodies in the bedroom were found by:
Collins
Delgado
Woodcock

After they cleared the room 2 other raid members went in
Hall
Manners

The last raid team member to see the bedroom was Webb but he neve rwent inside he just saw from the hallway so only saw June.

The others to see the bodies did so after the raid team cleared the entire house and exited. Woodcock ended up staying behind but the rest of the raid team went back to the station.

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« Reply #774 on: October 20, 2014, 11:51:AM »
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/14/gchq-tools-manipulate-online-information-leak

What does this have to do with Nevill's phone call? I see you haven't commented on that. How about the misleading information on the official site? Quite clearly people were under the impression that it was Nevill's log that the jury didn't see because that's the way it has been communicated. The Daily Mail (and other newspapers) also made this mistake - do you think that it is fine to give false impressions when it's in support of Jeremy?
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« Reply #775 on: October 20, 2014, 05:22:PM »
What does this have to do with Nevill's phone call? I see you haven't commented on that. How about the misleading information on the official site? Quite clearly people were under the impression that it was Nevill's log that the jury didn't see because that's the way it has been communicated. The Daily Mail (and other newspapers) also made this mistake - do you think that it is fine to give false impressions when it's in support of Jeremy?

More amusing still are the claims the defense was not made aware of the existence of both.

Bonnett's was an official exhibit.

West's was read into the record by West while he was on the witness stand. 

That is on top of the defense receiving copies of both prior to trial.

The defense even had copies of their notebooks and statements which the defense counsel referenced during cross examination.

The truth is that until this century no one though up the failrytale claim that that Bonnett's log reflects a call from Nevill.  It wasn't made at trial because no one conceived of such fairytale at the time let alone had any evidence to support such claim.

Making the claim now with no eivdence doesn't amount to a hill of beans and since it is something that could have been raised below but wasnn't it can'
t be raise don appeal anyway.  Even if allowed to raise it on appeal though it would not matter because to succeed proof is needed.  An unsupported allegation doesn't cut it.
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« Reply #776 on: October 22, 2014, 01:58:AM »
Bonnett's log may seem to be an official exhibit, but there were no direct references to it by anyone until this century. There are no references to it in the appeal judgement. Had the defence seen it during or before the trial, they would have spotted that it gives Nevill's age as 26, etc., and raised questions about it in the trial.

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« Reply #777 on: October 22, 2014, 02:38:AM »
More amusing still are the claims the defense was not made aware of the existence of both.

Bonnett's was an official exhibit.

West's was read into the record by West while he was on the witness stand. 

That is on top of the defense receiving copies of both prior to trial.

The defense even had copies of their notebooks and statements which the defense counsel referenced during cross examination.

The truth is that until this century no one though up the failrytale claim that that Bonnett's log reflects a call from Nevill.  It wasn't made at trial because no one conceived of such fairytale at the time let alone had any evidence to support such claim.

Making the claim now with no eivdence doesn't amount to a hill of beans and since it is something that could have been raised below but wasnn't it can'
t be raise don appeal anyway.  Even if allowed to raise it on appeal though it would not matter because to succeed proof is needed.  An unsupported allegation doesn't cut it.

And who made the claim this century ? Jeremy.

Gotta give him credit, he managed to get the ridiculous suggestion on the front page of national newspapers. As Paul Harrison said this week, Jeremy still has influence from behind bars.

It is correct that this was not suggested at trial or at the the 2002 appeal. Although the claim was made public in 2005 I believe. It would be interesting to know whether it was submitted at the 2012 appeal. I suspect it was just media bravado.
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« Reply #778 on: October 22, 2014, 02:41:AM »
Bonnett's log may seem to be an official exhibit, but there were no direct references to it by anyone until this century. There are no references to it in the appeal judgement. Had the defence seen it during or before the trial, they would have spotted that it gives Nevill's age as 26, etc., and raised questions about it in the trial.

The defense gets a copy of the exhibits. There is no way to clai they didn't see it.  There was nothing to ask about the age on Bonnett's saying 26.  They didn't care because it can be chalked up to only 1 of 2 things.  Either he wrote down a different age than he told Bonnett or Bonnett wrote down a different age than West told him.  Neither of these was to any consequence to the defense. The defense asked questions relevant to its defense such as to challenge the notion that the call came at 3:36 because that suggests Jeremy waited far too long to call police and undermines his ability to claim he called Julie after getting off the phone with police.

The defense at trial was trying to establish the complete opposite of what you and Mike keep claiming regarding the call to police being at 3:36.
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« Reply #779 on: October 22, 2014, 03:34:PM »
As Paul Harrison said this week, Jeremy still has influence from behind bars.
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