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« Reply #675 on: October 10, 2014, 10:45:PM »
Because they didn't need to bother stressing it was too dark, his claim already makes no sense on so many other levels.

becouse they couldent becouse they knew it wasnt dark and they knew a jury would know that.

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« Reply #676 on: October 10, 2014, 10:52:PM »
becouse they couldent becouse they knew it wasnt dark and they knew a jury would know that.

I will believe the acocunt of the almanacs over your claim is well lighted at 9PM and thus the claim he would notice rabbits far away through the window sound credible and his reaction of deciding to go shoot them be credible in light of not doing so in the past.  Unless he had a habit of shooting at rabbits anytime they were seen it doesn't comport that at 9PM he would grab the gun to rush out after hem.
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« Reply #677 on: October 10, 2014, 10:56:PM »
do honestly he wouldent of been pulled up in the police interviews about it.

if it was true.
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« Reply #678 on: October 10, 2014, 11:02:PM »
I will believe the acocunt of the almanacs over your claim is well lighted at 9PM and thus the claim he would notice rabbits far away through the window sound credible and his reaction of deciding to go shoot them be credible in light of not doing so in the past.  Unless he had a habit of shooting at rabbits anytime they were seen it doesn't comport that at 9PM he would grab the gun to rush out after hem.

thank you scipio - at least you are contributing to the discussion without being rude.

Perhaps also he felt he was not wanting to be involved in the discussion that was taking place after all it was not really his concern and it was a good excuse just to get out of the situation for a few minutes.

How long had he had the gun? perhaps it was a bit of a novelty? also Rabbits and rats are vermin when you have veg or barns with supplies - so they are fair game as far as farmers are concerned.

I cant say for certain because I am not sure but I don't think it is impossible that he did what he said.


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« Reply #679 on: October 10, 2014, 11:20:PM »
Our library.  But I just found an online one which is interesting because it is from this year.


http://intl.weather.com/climate/sunRiseSunSet/Chelmsford+ESS+United+Kingdom+UKXX0031:1:UK?month=8

It said this year sunset on August 6, 2014 was at 8:38PM a far cry from your 10PM. It is only a few minues off from what the almanac listed from 1985.



 
Sunset is not the same as darkness. It ain't the tropics here. It remains light sometimes for quite a while after sunset. Although 10 o'clock it probably was dark in August. When the nights draw in they do so pretty fast as a rule. It will mean of course that if Jeremy did want to shoot rabbits he probably didn't need the rifle sights because they wouldn't do him any good anyway?
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« Reply #680 on: October 11, 2014, 01:11:AM »
Sunset is not the same as darkness. It ain't the tropics here. It remains light sometimes for quite a while after sunset. Although 10 o'clock it probably was dark in August. When the nights draw in they do so pretty fast as a rule. It will mean of course that if Jeremy did want to shoot rabbits he probably didn't need the rifle sights because they wouldn't do him any good anyway?

It doesn't have to be pitch black out to make his claim ridiculous.  His claim he heard them was outright absurd. But seeing them by the barn form the window as the sun was going down isn't that much better.  Even if he saw them he would have to get the gun fast to have any chance of aiming at them.   If he was not known to do such at normal hours of the day why would he for the first time in his life decide to grab a gun to go try to shoot at them then?

He assumed police would never learn he didn't shoot rabbits and just believe it was habit for him. But we know better. We also know his claim Nevill offten removed the scope and moderator were nonsense, in fact there is no evidence Nevill even used it Jeremy wanted the gun Nevill was no longer interested in target shooting and used .410s to shoot vermin. Other than Jeremy using the gun to shoot targets to get proficient with it and Anthony using it when he visited there is no evidence of use which would explain why it looked brand new to Anthony.

He also clearly staged the 30 bullets, the notion the killer got 5 bullets from the closet to use instead of using all 25 bullets from the supply in the kitchen is not credible.   

He clearly lied about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached to come up with a bogus reason why the moderator was not on the gun when he claimed he took it to shoot the rabbit.  That ended up being proved false and worse the last known user said the gun had been put away with the moderator and scope attached. The police did the classic setup.  They got Jeremy to go on record.  Jeremy went on record and stated he had last used the gun more than a week prior.  They they said well the last known user Anthony said it fits with th emoderator in the closet and that he both found it with the scope and moderator attached and put it away with them attached so you should have foudn it with the moderator attached.  He promptly changed his story and claimed he and Nevill repeatedly using the gun the week before the murders and that Nevill sometimes would take the scope and moderator off before putting it in the closet but at other times would not.

It makes no sese for Nevill to keep taking the moderator and scope on and off and there is no evidence he did so.  There is no evidence to suggest he used the weapon ever let alone daily as Jeremy was suggesting.  If they used it daily and kept taking the scope on and off it would not look brand new it would have scratches and if he used it daily why did he tell police initially he had not used it up to a fornight before the murders?

Jeremy used the gun with the moderator attached and then put it away to conceal he had done so.  That is the only reason who would make up the lie the gun did not fit with he moderator attached so lacked it when he got it to shoot rabbits and left it out without the moderator.  Once that lie failed he changed to claiming Nevill frequently removed it after use and frequently removed the scope as well.

Why did he avoid telling the truth about the moderator and scope being left attached always?  Obviously because he didn't want the to know the moderator had been used and once admitting he removed the scope right before the murders would look extremely suspicious since the only reason to remove it was for close quarter shooting.

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« Reply #681 on: October 11, 2014, 03:58:AM »
Sunset and moonrise on 6/8/85 were at about 8:41pm and 10:52pm.

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« Reply #682 on: October 11, 2014, 04:29:AM »
Sunset and moonrise on 6/8/85 were at about 8:41pm and 10:52pm.

Moonrise is when the moon is above the horizon not when it is becomes dark.

It was totally dark here by 6:30 today.  It was well on it way to dark before that. The moonrise was not until after 8PM. Twilight is dark enough to make it hard to see rabbit far away through a window let alone to think you will be able to load a gun in time to go get them.

I don't know why so many people are so desperate to try to pretend Jeremy's claims are credible when there are so many different problems with each claim.

His claim of getting the gun out and leaving it and th ebullets out have so many problems that only the most biased of peopel would ignore such and decide to support him anyway.  Not evne his family was biased enough to believe his crap.  It amazes me there are so many peopel who don't know him personalyl who have decided to ignore common sense and evidence to pretend he is innocent. 
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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #683 on: October 11, 2014, 06:04:AM »
On 6th August 1985,sunset was at 20.43,dusk at 21.23 and nightfall was at 22.16

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« Reply #684 on: October 11, 2014, 06:37:AM »
Where did you get the time for "nightfall" from and what exactly does it mean?

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« Reply #685 on: October 11, 2014, 06:47:AM »
I got the times from a site called explorebritain.info sorry can't link it as am on my phone. It does explain what 'night fall' is if you are interested.

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« Reply #686 on: October 11, 2014, 07:42:AM »
It doesn't have to be pitch black out to make his claim ridiculous.  His claim he heard them was outright absurd. But seeing them by the barn form the window as the sun was going down isn't that much better.  Even if he saw them he would have to get the gun fast to have any chance of aiming at them.   If he was not known to do such at normal hours of the day why would he for the first time in his life decide to grab a gun to go try to shoot at them then?

He assumed police would never learn he didn't shoot rabbits and just believe it was habit for him. But we know better. We also know his claim Nevill offten removed the scope and moderator were nonsense, in fact there is no evidence Nevill even used it Jeremy wanted the gun Nevill was no longer interested in target shooting and used .410s to shoot vermin. Other than Jeremy using the gun to shoot targets to get proficient with it and Anthony using it when he visited there is no evidence of use which would explain why it looked brand new to Anthony.

He also clearly staged the 30 bullets, the notion the killer got 5 bullets from the closet to use instead of using all 25 bullets from the supply in the kitchen is not credible.   

He clearly lied about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached to come up with a bogus reason why the moderator was not on the gun when he claimed he took it to shoot the rabbit.  That ended up being proved false and worse the last known user said the gun had been put away with the moderator and scope attached. The police did the classic setup.  They got Jeremy to go on record.  Jeremy went on record and stated he had last used the gun more than a week prior.  They they said well the last known user Anthony said it fits with th emoderator in the closet and that he both found it with the scope and moderator attached and put it away with them attached so you should have foudn it with the moderator attached.  He promptly changed his story and claimed he and Nevill repeatedly using the gun the week before the murders and that Nevill sometimes would take the scope and moderator off before putting it in the closet but at other times would not.

It makes no sese for Nevill to keep taking the moderator and scope on and off and there is no evidence he did so.  There is no evidence to suggest he used the weapon ever let alone daily as Jeremy was suggesting.  If they used it daily and kept taking the scope on and off it would not look brand new it would have scratches and if he used it daily why did he tell police initially he had not used it up to a fornight before the murders?

Jeremy used the gun with the moderator attached and then put it away to conceal he had done so.  That is the only reason who would make up the lie the gun did not fit with he moderator attached so lacked it when he got it to shoot rabbits and left it out without the moderator.  Once that lie failed he changed to claiming Nevill frequently removed it after use and frequently removed the scope as well.

Why did he avoid telling the truth about the moderator and scope being left attached always?  Obviously because he didn't want the to know the moderator had been used and once admitting he removed the scope right before the murders would look extremely suspicious since the only reason to remove it was for close quarter shooting.
All I said was it was probably dark.

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« Reply #687 on: October 11, 2014, 07:46:AM »
Where did you get the time for "nightfall" from and what exactly does it mean?
I saw nightfall in a Popeye cartoon once. A big black shutter slammed down to the ground with a bang.
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« Reply #688 on: October 11, 2014, 05:49:PM »
I have posted the evidence many times.  It is inter-related though.  There is no way to just view each prong in isolation.

For instance, the fact Sheila could not have killed herself not only proves someone else committed the crime it means the call from Nevill never happened.  Why would Nevill call Jeremy and blame the wrong person? Short of someone holding  agun on Nevill and forcig him to finger the wrong perosn he would not do it and he would have reaosn to know they were going to kill him anyway so would be better off telling the truth in such circumstance so the person responsible can be arrested.  Even the defense at trial admitted that if Sheila didn't kill everyone that means Jeremy lied about receiving a call fro Nevill and committed the murders himself.

There are other things as well that prove the call from Nevill never happened.

1) Julie said Jeremy planned to kill his family, frame Sheila and say he received a phone call from WHF. Thus the claim he received a phone call was something he made up in advance as part of a preconceived plan to kill everyone. DONE

2) Nevill and June were shot together in the master bedroom.  Jeremy made sure the phone was removed prior to the murders thus even if the killer walked in and held them at gunpoint for a while before shooting them Nevill could not have used the phone to call for help.  The notion June would stay in bed as Sheila were running around crazy with a gun is bad enough.  But to suggest Nevill left June alone with Sheila to call Jeremy and that Sheila disconnected the call after he got his message off, then took the phone off the hook so no one could call back and then marched him upstairs so she could shoot the parents together instead of shooting him in the kitchen when she found him on the phone is not credible. THE HOUSEKEEPER SAID IN HER STATEMENT THAT THE PHONES WERE ALWAYS BEING MOVED ABOUT AND I DONT BELIEVE JB KNEW ABOUT THE VISIT FROM THE ENGINEER SO HE DID NOT KNOW WHT PHONES WERE WHERE AT THE TIME - I DONT BELIEVE ANY SHOTS HAD BEEN FIREED WHEN NEVILLE CALLED SO THE TWINS AND JUNE COULD HAVE STILL BEEN ASLEEP IT IS POSSIBLE . sO AGAIN YOUR SCENARIO COULD BE CORRECT - OR IF HE IS INNOCENT THE ABOVE COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

3) Nevill had no reason to call Jeremy to ask for help.  He had a better physical ability to disarm Sheila than Jeremy did, he would have had the need to disarm her immediately as to waiting 15-20 minutes for Jeremy to come even (if Jeremy even answered the phone) and she didn't even know how to use the weapon so it would be extremely unlikely she chambered a round which is a prerequisite to being able to fire the gun.  In the meantime the kitchen was loaded with guns, knives and other potential weapons he coudl have used to disarm her so he would no have needed to use his bare hands just to disarm her.  If he too worried to try anything himself he would have called 999 not requested an additional family member to come place his life at risk. /THAT IS EASY TO SAY - BUT NOT SO EASY IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE IN FRONT OF YOU POINTING A GUN AT YOU - EVEN A 12 YEAR OLD CHILD COULD PULL THE TRIGGER. bECAUSE HE HAD BEEN KNOWN TO CALM HER IN THE PAST I DONT THINK HE THOUGHT SHE WOULD FIRE THE GUN , HE JUST THOUGHT HE NEEDED SOME HELP - BUT THE SITUATION UNFOLDED TOO FAST - SO AGAIN YOU COULD BE RIGHT - BUT YOU ARE ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHAT NEVILLE WOULD THINK - SO THE CALL WAS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

4) Jeremy's reactions were not the reactions of someone receiving such a call. Someone receiving such a call would either get dressed and rush over or to call 999.  He did neither.  He called Julie and told her he had not been to bed yet and that his plan, tha the told her in a previous call that night that he was going to implement that night, was working well.  Calling Julie period makes no sense but callin gher before police demonstrates even more that he had not received and emergency call and was not worried about the safety of his family.  If he actually received a call and were worried about the safety of his family he would have either rushed over or dialed 999.  Even after speaking to Julie he did not dial 999.  Instead he wasted time looking up the numbers of police stations.  He said no one answered the phone at the local station it just rang and rang.  Surely at that point he would call 999.  No he looke dup another station further away instead and not only wasted more time looking it up he risked again no one being there to man the phones.   Quite clearly he knew there was no emergency.-??? BUT EVERYONE IS SAYING HE PURPOSELY CREATED A SEIGE SITUATION - YOUR SCENARIO IS THE OPPOSITE. ALSO EVERY EXCUSE UNDER THE SUN IS MADE FOR JM BEING HALF ASLEEP AND MISING HIS WORDS ETC - BUT ALTHOUGH HE WAS HALF ASLEEP AND ONLY HEARD A FEW WORDS NONE OF WHICH INDICATED A SHOT HAD BEEN FIRED HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE A BIT CONFUSED? IT WAS TRUE HS FATHER HAD KEPT SHEILAS CONDITION PRIVATE AND NEVILLE NEVER ASKED HIM TO CALL THE POLICE . if HE IS INNOCENT HIS ACTIONS IN RETROSPECT SEEM BADLY CALCULATED - BUT THEY COULD HAVE GOT THERE AND WITH THE HELP OF THE POLICE CALMED SHEILA DOWN AND SAVED THE FAMILY - IF HE IS INNOCENT WHY WOULD HE THINK SHE WOULD ACTUALLY FIRE THE GUN?

5) After calling police and going to WHF at their request he drove slowly and not only let police pass him, he drove the last mile of the trip quite slowly so that police could arrive first and see him arrive.  Worse yet, after arriving he didn't tell police he could get in through the windows, nor did he press them to go knock at the door.  The police questioned him about the guns in the house, whether SHeila coudl use them and whether Sheila would be likely to shoot at police if they went to the door and Jeremy was with them.  They wanted to know if he could calm her and keep her from shooting them.  Jeremy lied and told them she knew how to use/had fired every weapon in the house.  He also told them that he did not get along well with her and they did not like eachother. As a result instead of going to knock at the door and risk being shot if she opened it, they called for armed assistance.  Jerey in the meantime was very calm and talked about cars and guy stuff in between hamming it up about how crazy his sister was. Jeremy's lies and behavior was not that of someone concerned for his family.AS I SAID BEFORE THE POLICE ATTRIBUTED WORDS TO JEREMY THAT HE DENIED SAYING AND EVEN IN COURT THEY WERE TRYING TO DISTORT THE "CAR CONVERSATION" ALSO THE POLICE THEMSELVES WERE VERY WORRIED ABOUT JEREMY AND IN SOME STATEMENTS SAID HE WAS CRYING AND DISTRAUGHT AND ASKED THE DOCTOR TO WALK WITH HIME TO MAKE SURE HE WAS OK . THE CONVERSATIONS WERE TO TRY AND CALM HIM DOWN AND INSTIGATED BY THE POLICE . AS FAR AS HE WAS CONCERNED FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS THEY WERE TRYING TO TALK TO SHEILA , HE DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE ALL DEAD INSIDE .IF GUILTY HE WAS A VERY GOOD ACTOR TO CONVINCE ALL THE OFFICERS ON THE NIGHT ,IF INNOCENT IT IS ALL POSSIBLE.

6) Around 5:45AM Jeremy asked to call Julie and far from telling her he was worried about his family he told her not to go to work because she would need to talk to police and confirm he called her to express concern after receiving a call from Nevill.  He wanted her to talk to police and help buttress his fictional alibi he received a call from Nevill. THAT IS ASSUMPTION AND DOES NOT TIE UP WITH ALL THE POLICE SATEMENTS

7) Jeremy did other things to frame Sheila beyond just lie about receiving a call from Nevill fingering her.  He made up the claim that he had taken the gun out to shoot rabbits and left the gun and bullets in the kitchen.  He suggested Sheila found and used the weapon as a result of him leaving it out.  He clearly made this tale up though because: DISCUSSED ALREADY

A) He staged the bullets after the murders to support his story but staged too many bullets. He staged a box that could hold 50 bullets max, claimed it was full or near full when he took it out and that the fact  it was not full or near full anymore shows the killer used this supply to commit the murders.  But if the killer had used it to fire the 25 shots then no more than 25 would have remained.  There were 30 remaining he staged too many and in the process revealed he staged them.  her eis no way the killer would have used 20 bullets form this supply and with 30 still remaining then decide to go to the closet to get another 5 bullets. ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS THERE WAS OTHER AMMUNITION IN THE HOUSE AND IT WAS NOT IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO HAVE GOT TO THAT? AND IF YOU HAD PLANNED IT FOR MONTHS DONT YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE GOT THAT RIGHT? ALSO IF HE HAD TO USE MORE BULLETS THAT HE PLANNED AND SHOT HER TWICE , NOT PLANNED, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CRAPPING HIMSELF WHEN STANDING NEXT TO ALL THOSE EXPERIENCED OFFICERS  BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE SUSSED IT OUT AS SOON AS THEY WENT IN? THAT DOES NOT TIE UP WITH YOUR EXPLANATIOON OF HIS DEMEANOR ABOVE . I ADMIT THIS IS ODD AND IT WAS BOUGHT UP AT THE TRIAL BUT IT DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING.

B) He was never known to use the gun to shoot a rabbits he used it only to shoot targets.  He was opposed to shooting animals.  So his account of getting it out to shoot rabbits is highly suspicious- SORRY ALL FARMERS CAN BE ANIMAL LOVERS BUT THEY ALL CONSIDER RABBITS AND RATS AS VERMIN . I DONT FIND THAT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL.

C) His account of hearing the rabbits or seeing them far away as it was getting dark (he kept changign hsi story of how he knew about the rabbits) is even less credible. COVERED

D) His account that the rifle had been stored without the moderator and scope attached at not credible at all either. There wa sno reaosn to remove either and someome would not want to remove them they would want to leave them attached to use anytime the gun was used.  The only reason to reove the scope would be for close quarter shooting like the murders.  Jeremy even lied initially and claimed the gun could not be stored with the scope and moderator attached to try to make it seem plausible he would find the gun like that. These lies were because he didn't want them to know the moderator was used in the commission of the crimes and he didn't want them to know he removed the scope in anticipation of committing the murders.   WILL COME BACK TO THIS ONE . I THOUGHT NEVILLE WOULD HAVE PUT THE GUN AWY AT THE END OF THE DAY SO WHO KNOWS WHAT STATE IT WAS IN ?  I STIL DONT GET WHY IFF THE MODERATOR WAS ON THE GUN AND JEREMY KNOWS THAT WHY HE HAS CONCENTRATED ON IT SO MUCH IN HIS APPEALS - TO ME THE WHOLE MODERaTOR THING IS THE MOST  "STICKY" AREA.

E) Had he actually gotten the gun to shoot rabbits he would have wanted the moderator and scope attached.COVERED

F) June was on the phone and would have seen the pile of spilled bullets next to it, she would nto have left them there.  Nor woudl she or Nevill have left the gun and loaded magazine in the kitchen before going to bed.  Even when the boys were not there, he was careful with his weapons according to witnesses so surely with the boys staying would not have left it out.  NOT SURE WHAT YOUR ARGUMENT IS HERE . YOU ARE SAYING WHOEVER COMMITTED THE CRIME HAD TO GO TO THE GUN CUPBOARD AND GET THE GUNS AND THE AMMUNTION? DOES THAT NOT EXPLAIN WHY THERE WERE MORE THAN 50 BULLETS THEN ?AND IT ALSO PROVES THAT WE CAN NOT BE SURE WHAT NEVILLE HAD SONE TO THE GUN BEFORE HE PUT IT AWAY?

G) Jeremy would have had survivors guilt if his family were actually murdered.  He also would have had even more severe guilt if he really did leave the gun and bullets out and it such were used in the crime because it means he was partially responsible.  That is even stronger than just ordinary survivor guilt. Yet he expressed no such feelings to anyone after the bodies were found. I THINK YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE PRIVIY TO EVERYTHIG THAT HAPPENED IN EVERY HOUR AFTER THE MURDERS .THE DOCTOR ALSO PUT HIM ON VALIUM . THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT REACTIONS TO SHOCK AND GUILT SO I DONT THINK THIS PROVES ANYTHING .TBH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IF GUILTY HE WOULD HAVE MADE MUCH MORE EFFORT TO PROMOTE THE REEACTIONS EVERYONE WOUD EXPECT?

All of these things together combined establish Jeremy's tale of receiving a call from Nevill were false.  Viewing each thing in isolation is improper and what Jeremy supporters want to do because the weight of the evidence combined is so overwhelming. Jeremy supporters would like to deal with one little thing at a time in isolation because it is far easier to attack that way than it is to try attacking the evidenc ein full.   THEY ESTABLISH THEM  IN SOME RESPECTS BUT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS THAT ALSO TOGETHER COULD SHOW A DIFFERENT "PICTURE"  I HAVE NEVER ATTACKED BTW . I ONLY ASKED YOU TO PRESENT IN ISOLATION BECAUSE I LOSE INTEREST HALF WAY THROUGH LONG POSTS.

I didn't present the entire case.  I just presented all the issues that should be evaluated and looked at to assess Jeremy's claim he received a call from Nevill. FAIR ENOUGH - SO HAVE I.

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Re: A Call To Essex Police From Neville? - The poll
« Reply #689 on: October 11, 2014, 06:04:PM »
It is called twilight. Even though the sun sets at a certain time, it doesn´t mean that it turns dark right away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight