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« Reply #420 on: September 25, 2014, 12:53:PM »
What I believe is that is possible that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen before the raid team entered and even possibly after they entered.  I am not saying that is likely, I have accepted that the explanation may be that there was a mistake.  It is nevertheless a possibility and it is one of several aspects of the case which concern me. 

 
It appears to me that you are still insinuating tha ngb is lying? Ufortunately this kind of judgment appears to be a common affliction with you and probably is part of your nature, sadly.
However I think ngb's concerns are real. For he states that one of his concerns is that the statement over the radio that a body of a female was seen in the kitchen was not corrected when the team actually entered. Furthermore they compounded the error by stating on entry one male and one female dead.
The confusion unfortunately was created by them, the raid team. Therefore I think ngb is quite justified in expressing his concerns.


There seems to be some confusion over EXACTLY what is meant by "lies". You say it appears to you that Harters is insinuating that Neil is telling lies, but Neil CLEARLY states that whilst he believes it POSSIBLE that a female figure was seen...................., he is ALSO saying that it isn't likely. You can call it what you like, hedging bets, prevarication, but IMO, it can't possibly be seen as being a lie and I feel perfectly certain Harters would be aware of it.........................but I could be wrong.

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« Reply #421 on: September 25, 2014, 01:06:PM »
They didn't, one police officer told AE that Sheila was found on the left side of the bed. She was, AE assumed he meant ON THE BED as opposed to left OF the bed. No conspiracy.
Hi Caroline. Here is Ann Eaton's testimony where she describes being told that both Sheila and June were on the bed with the bible on her chest and the rifle between them.

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« Reply #422 on: September 25, 2014, 01:09:PM »
 Thanks for that Mr Gee.

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« Reply #423 on: September 25, 2014, 01:10:PM »

There seems to be some confusion over EXACTLY what is meant by "lies". You say it appears to you that Harters is insinuating that Neil is telling lies, but Neil CLEARLY states that whilst he believes it POSSIBLE that a female figure was seen...................., he is ALSO saying that it isn't likely. You can call it what you like, hedging bets, prevarication, but IMO, it can't possibly be seen as being a lie and I feel perfectly certain Harters would be aware of it.........................but I could be wrong.
This is what hartley said:
Quote from: harters
As I said I don't believe you. The very idea is utterly preposterous, as I'm sure you know.
This insinuates that ngb is deliberately misleading him and in fact lying.
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« Reply #424 on: September 25, 2014, 01:18:PM »
There is an excellent interpretation of the logs on the thread 'Wireless Message Log'. Sorry,dont know how to link it to here.

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« Reply #425 on: September 25, 2014, 01:25:PM »
There is an excellent interpretation of the logs on the thread 'Wireless Message Log'. Sorry,dont know how to link it to here.
is this it Tyler?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,380.0.html

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« Reply #426 on: September 25, 2014, 01:27:PM »
The very idea is utterly preposterous
Of course it seems preposterous, but you imply that the evidence (which I accept) that Sheila was shot dead in the bedroom implies she wasn't found in the kitchen, and ask why she would have been carried upstairs.  You haven't considered the possibility that she was alive in the kitchen. The police then made a huge initial blunder that they decided they couldn't admit to. Remember, you've never explained how come Jeapes saw a gun leaning against a window before the raid team went upstairs. What gun was that?

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« Reply #428 on: September 25, 2014, 01:35:PM »
You haven't considered the possibility that she was alive in the kitchen.
I have very much considered it. The very idea is as previously described.
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« Reply #429 on: September 25, 2014, 01:38:PM »
This is what hartley said: This insinuates that ngb is deliberately misleading him and in fact lying.




I think that Harters could be the one to settle this. It's HE who would know if he was insinuating a lie or misleading OR simply disagreeing with Neil's view point.

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« Reply #430 on: September 25, 2014, 01:39:PM »

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« Reply #431 on: September 25, 2014, 01:48:PM »



Quite an eye-opener. Thanks for that.
There are just too many anomalies for me Lookout,with regards to the raid itself. Some discrepencies can be explained away and yet there there there are still some (as far as Im concerned) some that cant and no plausible explanation has ever been given for them. To believe the official version is to believe that too many experienced and highly trained officers made all those mistakes/errors. Sorry,but it doesnt wash with me.

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« Reply #432 on: September 25, 2014, 01:51:PM »
tyler/lookout EP made a complete hash of the investigation and IMO tried to cover up their errors.

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« Reply #433 on: September 25, 2014, 01:52:PM »
There are just too many anomalies for me Lookout,with regards to the raid itself. Some discrepencies can be explained away and yet there there there are still some (as far as Im concerned) some that cant and no plausible explanation has ever been given for them. To believe the official version is to believe that too many experienced and highly trained officers made all those mistakes/errors. Sorry,but it doesnt wash with me.




It doesn't wash with me either,tyler. Never did and never will.

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« Reply #434 on: September 25, 2014, 01:54:PM »
tyler/lookout EP made a complete hash of the investigation and IMO tried to cover up their errors.
I completely agree Susan. But imo this included the raid also.