Off to Kenmare, Republic of Ireland, tomorrow, for 10 days...

[nugnug]

well that would be almost impossble.

[No-Bits]

Apologies in interrupting your thread Mike.

Bews made a statement on the 16th August 1985, I wondered if you had a copy and would consider posting it on the forum?

Many thanks in advance if you have it.

[mike tesko]

The question of how Bamber allegedly got to and from the farmhouse in order to carry out the murders falls into the 98% circumstantial evidence I have been talking about. It was never proved that Jeremy used his mums bike as alleged, such a suggestion was purely speculation, not evidence...

The juries verdict does not mean that they accepted that Bambet hsd used the bike as speculated, otherwise, the convictions would be rendered worthless. Since, there wss no evidence to link the bike to the scene at the time of the shootings, and rode away afterwards. It is much more likely that the bike ended up at Jeremys cottage on a day or so after the shootings...

[Mr. Gee]

The question of how Bamber allegedly got to and from the farmhouse in order to carry out the murders falls into the 98% circumstantial evidence I have been talking about. It was never proved that Jeremy used his mums bike as alleged, such a suggestion was purely speculation, not evidence...

The juries verdict does not mean that they accepted that Bambet hsd used the bike as speculated, otherwise, the convictions would be rendered worthless. Since, there wss no evidence to link the bike to the scene at the time of the shootings, and rode away afterwards. It is much more likely that the bike ended up at Jeremys cottage on a day or so after the shootings...

Pecisely Mike. It never has been proved and my guess is it never will. Just pure speculation from over fertile imaginations.

[lookout]

 I always thought he'd used a hovercraft over the marshes. Hence the wetsuit.

[mike tesko]

And then, there is the circumstantial evidence of marks made near the latch in the paintwork of some downstairs window, or other, which supposedly proves that this was how Jeremy the killer, entered the farmhouse, killed everyone, and then left, but the police knew full well that Jeremy used this window days after the shootings because  he was still under surveillance by the drugs squad, when Jeremy entered the farmhouse by these means because he had forgotten his key. The marks on the window frame, and the use of a piece of broken hacksaw blade had been caused after the shooting of the five victims, not beforehand...

Like so much of the circumstantial evidence relied upon to support prosecution contentions, much of it did not relate directly to incidents occurring prior to the shootings, but afterwards.

[John]

The question of how Bamber allegedly got to and from the farmhouse in order to carry out the murders falls into the 98% circumstantial evidence I have been talking about. It was never proved that Jeremy used his mums bike as alleged, such a suggestion was purely speculation, not evidence...

The juries verdict does not mean that they accepted that Bambet hsd used the bike as speculated, otherwise, the convictions would be rendered worthless. Since, there wss no evidence to link the bike to the scene at the time of the shootings, and rode away afterwards. It is much more likely that the bike ended up at Jeremys cottage on a day or so after the shootings...

Hardly when Jerry told police he had taken it to Goldhanger so Julie could get to the train station.  Of course this was a lie as Julie confirmed she had never heard anything about it.

Maybe the clay caked on the wheel rims was a clue for some. (clue: fields and lanes tend to be coated in mud and clay)

[John]

And then, there is the circumstantial evidence of marks made near the latch in the paintwork of some downstairs window, or other, which supposedly proves that this was how Jeremy the killer, entered the farmhouse, killed everyone, and then left, but the police knew full well that Jeremy used this window days after the shootings because  he was still under surveillance by the drugs squad, when Jeremy entered the farmhouse by these means because he had forgotten his key. The marks on the window frame, and the use of a piece of broken hacksaw blade had been caused after the shooting of the five victims, not beforehand...

Like so much of the circumstantial evidence relied upon to support prosecution contentions, much of it did not relate directly to incidents occurring prior to the shootings, but afterwards.

Lets face it, only Bamber knew how to get in and out of the farmhouse undetected. Of course had it been a stranger the farm dog would have alerted Nevill to the presence of an intruder, possibly a burglar.  Pesky burglars, they get everywhere.

[maggie]

Lets face it, only Bamber knew how to get in and out of the farmhouse undetected. Of course had it been a stranger the farm dog would have alerted Nevill to the presence of an intruder, possibly a burglar.  Pesky burglars, they get everywhere.

I don't agree John, various of the younger members of the family used the windows to enter.  Jeremy was never proven to have been able to lock the window from the outside.

[Mr. Gee]

I don't agree John, various of the younger members of the family used the windows to enter.  Jeremy was never proven to have been able to lock the window from the outside.

The whole family knew about the windows. It were they who brought it up, not Bamber.

[mike tesko]

No mud on the wheels or tyres matched the samples of mud taken from the footpaths along the route proposed by Robert Boutflour, so there is zilch evidence to link that bike to any of the coastal footpaths, it was all speculation, no hard evidence, no tyre tracks, no eye witness accounts, no blood on the bike at all from any of the five victims, nothing on the pedals, nothing of evidential value found at Jeremys cottage to remotely suggest that he had been at the scene when any of the five victims had been shot, individually and or collectively...

Speculation, that was all they had, that is all they had got, and nothing has emerged in the 29 years or so, to change that amount of speculation, into hard evidence...

The window evidence falls well and truly into the 98% of bullshit, that was introduced to deliberately cloud the issue, or to put it another way, it was part of the so called weight of the evidence which the jury were invited to take into account when deliberating their verdict...

None of it proved Bamber had been present at the scene at the time of the shootings...

He's innocent, and verdicts need to be quashed....

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

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[Mr. Gee]

I think that carved figure is on the Sneem road isn't it Mike. My mother lives not far from there. I miss Ireland. Abeautiful place with very friendly natives.

[mike tesko]

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