The Week of the Murders

[lookout]

Can anyone find PROOF at all that Jeremys' house at Goldhanger was still under surveillance on the 6th of August ?

[Caroline]

Can anyone find PROOF at all that Jeremys' house at Goldhanger was still under surveillance on the 6th of August ?

Can anyone 'PROVE' that it ever was?

[guest154]

Can anyone find PROOF at all that Jeremys' house at Goldhanger was still under surveillance on the 6th of August ?

Is there proof it was originally? Nope.

[guest154]

Oops sorry caroline, cross posted 

[Caroline]

Oops sorry caroline, cross posted 

Nee bother!! 

[JackiePreece]

None of her allegations went anywhere.  The only details we have seen regarding these alelgations is that they were pretty pathetic.

Instead of relying on unfounded allegations you need to produce evidence.

Naturally you can't do so because you neve reven looke dinto the facts in any depth- BW made an allegation you like so it means the allegations are true.  That is the extent of how you operate.  For someone supposedly so involved in the campaign your knowledge of the facts in the case is wretched.  You and lookout seem to not be aware of the actual evidence and facts discussed ad nauseum on this very board.

Debating people uninformed of the facts is a waste of time when they have no interest in becoming informed.  a quote from Heinlein is apropos, "Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."

They definately looked true to me and I expect Peter Eaton would have been charged if Jeremy hadn't been convicted
Sounds like a nice guy like Mugford

[scipio_usmc]

Can anyone 'PROVE' that it ever was?

You beat me to the punch

[lookout]

Can anyone 'PROVE' that it ever was?

EP could do if they were relied on to tell the truth. Seemingly Jeremy was being watched for growing a few weeds,with honest and trusty friend JM making a killing at college selling them,so the police decided to keep a watchful eye on the comings and goings of Jeremy and his massive drug trade.
It was neighbours who'd reported the matter to the police,telling them of JB's activities,so in order that they were believed,the police decided to keep a careful watch on things.
Jeremy himself never believed he was being watched,but then,he wasn't 100% sure was he ?

The only way of knowing this information is from " Taff " Jones's notebook,in which could have been stated,by himself,that Jeremy WAS being watched--------hence " Taffs' " outright conclusion of 4 murders and a suicide. Until then,we're still kept dangling unless some clever dick comes up with the proof that he WASN'T being watched.

[guest154]

 Until then,we're still kept dangling unless some clever dick comes up with the proof that he WASN'T being watched.

The fact there is no documentation that he was being watched is proof if he wasn't.  If a claim is being made that he WAS being watched then proof of that needs to exist to establish that - simply saying there is no proof that he wasn't is making excuses and attempting to decieve.

[lookout]

The fact there is no documentation that he was being watched is proof if he wasn't.  If a claim is being made that he WAS being watched then proof of that needs to exist to establish that - simply saying there is no proof that he wasn't is making excuses and attempting to decieve.

This is where the uncertainty lies,with " Taff " Jones's notebook. None of us know,and EP aren't likely to crack on at this late stage. Like all the other documents--------In the Laps of the Gods.
He may,or may not have been under surveillance,we really do not know,as we haven't been privy to the elusive notes of " Taff " Jones's.

[Caroline]

This is where the uncertainty lies,with " Taff " Jones's notebook. None of us know,and EP aren't likely to crack on at this late stage. Like all the other documents--------In the Laps of the Gods.
He may,or may not have been under surveillance,we really do not know,as we haven't been privy to the elusive notes of " Taff " Jones's.

I think it's another myth Lookout, if they thought he was growing weed, they would have just raided his cottage. I went to uni with someone who grew quite a lot of it ad he got raided after someone reported him.

[scipio_usmc]

I think it's another myth Lookout, if they thought he was growing weed, they would have just raided his cottage. I went to uni with someone who grew quite a lot of it ad he got raided after someone reported him.

While I went out of my way to raise the differences between the cases when comparisons were made on the Amityville site- ironically there was also a claim that the DEA was watching DeFeo's home for suspicion of drug selling.  The myth was posted by a disreputable journalist who most likely made it up as opposed to reporting something made up by someone else and fed to him.  It is astouding how many things are made up many years after trials.



   

[Caroline]

While I went out of my way to raise the differences between the cases when comparisons were made on the Amityville site- ironically there was also a claim that the DEA was watching DeFeo's home for suspicion of drug selling.  The myth was posted by a disreputable journalist who most likely made it up as opposed to reporting something made up by someone else and fed to him.  It is astouding how many things are made up many years after trials.

As if the real life elements weren't dramatic enough - people like to add things, sometimes of course they grow from a misunderstanding. Someone might have asked if he's had convictions for growing wees and before you know it, there is a full surveillance team added to the mix.

[lookout]

I think it's another myth Lookout, if they thought he was growing weed, they would have just raided his cottage. I went to uni with someone who grew quite a lot of it ad he got raided after someone reported him.

I don't rather think it would have been raided as such,but rather surreptitiously guarded/watched by the police on account of Nevilles' position as a magistrate. It wouldn't have looked good to have witnessed that going on. Any rate,it could only have been one of the cousins who then spread gossip about planes landing with cargoes of drugs,that got to neighbouring ears,which in turn reached the ears of the police. They were probably waiting for this huge consignment  There was Jeremy with a plant-pot 
Small village,bags of gossip---------and old bags.
I would bet,that where Jeremy lived,he couldn't fart without somebody hearing. Good in one respect having nosy neighbours as they're the best security device,but-----------it can go too far when you see a woman wearing a frock made from the same material as the curtains.

[scipio_usmc]

As if the real life elements weren't dramatic enough - people like to add things, sometimes of course they grow from a misunderstanding. Someone might have asked if he's had convictions for growing wees and before you know it, there is a full surveillance team added to the mix.

Sometimes myths are created on purpose to suggest innocence other times for attention and notoriety.  The attention can be just so someone has their name in the spotlight and becomes part of the debate, sometimes for financial motive.

The reporter did it to have a story suggesting innocence because that would garner a lot of attention.  He clearly made up too many aspects and the entire tale was absurd.  It featured the DEA agents hearing the gunshots and seeing the rifle flashes in each room and yet the agents not calling police or using this as an excuse to go inside the house without a search warrant (the emergency exception kicks in) to search for drugs but rather staying outside until police arrived many hours later and neve rtelling police they were there. It also featured them seeing DeFeo's sister dispose of the murder weapon and return to the house (only she was killed with the same weapon so how could she have been shot with it after she dumped it in the ocean?).  So these myths are rarely well thought out.

More than a decade after the murders DeFeo came up with a whole new story that included a fake wife and borther in law and that he had been living in a different state with her.  Evne though this tale is absurd and was rejected by the courts and ther eis a host of evidenc eproving it false, an author decided to publish the claim and other lies and there is even a documentary made from it that maintains these lies amond others.  The lies were published so the author of the book and producer of the POS   could garner fame and fortune.  The woman who lied about being his wife at the time of the murders (she did eventually marry him in 1989 though she was already married to someone else!) likewise wants fame and attention.  She admitted under oath that all her claims were lies back in 1990 but none of this is mentioned in the works and she keeps changing when they supposedly married.  She blames the lack of any marriage records on the mob, she claims the mob was able to erase the marriage records from the Vital Record's office.  The author and producer assert this is true. It is so absurd and yet there are morons who believe it.  Barnum was so right about a sucker born every minute.
 
I was banned from the Producer's facebook page because he got crushed in a debate against me where I exposed his lies as nonsense. (his attempt to make a name for himself was to claim a second gun wa sused in the murders and that he found the gun)  The gun he found could not have made the land and groove marks on the bullet he claims fired it and worse the largest fragment remaining of the bullet is heavier than a full bullet fired by the gun he found. Equally as bad the spent shell casing was a .35 caliber rifle casing which would in no way fit in the gun he found.   

Ever since he has been trying to find my identity out to try to see if he could dig up dirt on me personally.  One person who dared to critizie him for instance he attacked because such person had filed bankruptcy in the past.  Ever the hypocrite though so he.  He is so pathetic he posts 5 star reviews of his own work pretending to be just an ordinary person.  It is really astounding the things people will do.