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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #330 on: September 08, 2014, 01:52:AM »
Hi Alias, hope you're enjoying London!!

I guess I am one of those dreaded 'guilters' now and I still post because my interest is still there. You don't change your mind and then lose interest. I guess if I had always thought him guilty, I wouldn't have bothered joining the site or even gave him a second thought. I'm pretty convinced he's guilty now and especially after going through the phone call evidence but I suppose you can never be 100% sure.

Love London! Crappy internet connection, husband has a virus and I can´t sleep (he does, bless him. LOL)!
I do love London, seriously! Drove through Essex quickly by train, we skipped Colchester and went directly for the real thing! Waved at Essex from the train - promise I did!  ;)

I once lost interest in what I believed was a MOJ case. I lost interest when I started thinking they were guilty after a long time being convinced of their innocense. They were in prison, so what was there to consider anymore?
Then they suddenly were released from prison on an "Alford Plea" - one of them from death row. So I guess I was wrong in changing my mind from innocent to guilty. No one gets to walk away from death row if guilty. The case I am talking about is the one about the West Memphis Three.

Caroline, maybe you will lose interest when it has settled in your mind that Jeremy Bamber is where he belongs - and nothing "dreaded" about guilters  ;)- I have always been on the fence, just have some (very) unanswered questions.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #331 on: September 08, 2014, 02:10:AM »
Love London! Crappy internet connection, husband has a virus and I can´t sleep (he does, bless him. LOL)!
I do love London, seriously! Drove through Essex quickly by train, we skipped Colchester and went directly for the real thing! Waved at Essex from the train - promise I did!  ;)

I once lost interest in what I believed was a MOJ case. I lost interest when I started thinking they were guilty after a long time being convinced of their innocense. They were in prison, so what was there to consider anymore?
Then they suddenly were released from prison on an "Alford Plea" - one of them from death row. So I guess I was wrong in changing my mind from innocent to guilty. No one gets to walk away from death row if guilty. The case I am talking about is the one about the West Memphis Three.

Caroline, maybe you will lose interest when it has settled in your mind that Jeremy Bamber is where he belongs - and nothing "dreaded" about guilters  ;)- I have always been on the fence, just have some (very) unanswered questions.

Glad you're having a great time  :). With you totally on the 'crappy internet connection' - we have a fault with ours at the mo, got a BT engineer coming to sort it on Tuesday but it keeps cutting out and it's REALLY annoying!! Didn't realise how much I relied on the internet until access became intermittent  :o

I don't think I could be 100% certain of guilt (although I might have said I was out of frustration with certain people - and likewise the other way!). There are lots of unanswered things for me too. I guess I should try ans list those - see if we can thrash em out  ;D ;D.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #332 on: September 08, 2014, 08:15:AM »
Sorry, I meant horlicks, you know bollocks! !!!
Thanks for that Hartley? These are strong words used in the presence of ladies ones that i like to use face to face.  This is not my quote as i stated to Susan this was taken out of the law Essex newspaper, as you stated i don't know anything about the case and i agree all i can go on is research.

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« Reply #333 on: September 08, 2014, 09:44:AM »
Thanks for that Hartley? These are strong words used in the presence of ladies ones that i like to use face to face.  This is not my quote as i stated to Susan this was taken out of the law Essex newspaper, as you stated i don't know anything about the case and i agree all i can go on is research.

You are very welcome.  :)

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #334 on: September 08, 2014, 10:14:AM »
Hi Alias, hope you're enjoying London!!

I guess I am one of those dreaded 'guilters' now and I still post because my interest is still there. You don't change your mind and then lose interest. I guess if I had always thought him guilty, I wouldn't have bothered joining the site or even gave him a second thought. I'm pretty convinced he's guilty now and especially after going through the phone call evidence but I suppose you can never be 100% sure.





Hey Caroline,never mind about you being " one of those dreaded guilters ",how about me being a " shock/horror,, innocent,for which the argument/debate is so much more difficult ? ;) ;) ;) ( affliction )

I still maintain that a GOOD defence team certainly has its work cut out as they really have to go over every little detail with a much finer tooth-comb ( a nitty one ) than does the prosecution,who " shout " their way through and scare the breeches off the jury until they submit.

To date,I've spoken to 3 cops,one of who I loaned my Lomax book to. He just said it was a " muddle " with no definite conclusion ?
The older guy,still working with his dogs wasn't impressed with the investigation and asked why it was that EP had to rely so much on relatives ? Did they know him well enough to point a finger,or didn't they like him ?
None of the 3 could say yea or nay.  I'll have another conversation with one of them as he's off work at the moment as it does take some time to put someone clearly in the picture .

It comes to something when officers of the law can't even give a straight answer,though in all fairness,they haven't studied the case,as I just gave them the odd snippet to go on,such as the silencer,which the older guy said he was puzzled as to why it would have had to have been used on a .22 rifle anyway.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #335 on: September 08, 2014, 10:42:AM »




Hey Caroline,never mind about you being " one of those dreaded guilters ",how about me being a " shock/horror,, innocent,for which the argument/debate is so much more difficult ? ;) ;) ;) ( affliction )

I still maintain that a GOOD defence team certainly has its work cut out as they really have to go over every little detail with a much finer tooth-comb ( a nitty one ) than does the prosecution,who " shout " their way through and scare the breeches off the jury until they submit.

To date,I've spoken to 3 cops,one of who I loaned my Lomax book to. He just said it was a " muddle " with no definite conclusion ?
The older guy,still working with his dogs wasn't impressed with the investigation and asked why it was that EP had to rely so much on relatives ? Did they know him well enough to point a finger,or didn't they like him ?
None of the 3 could say yea or nay.  I'll have another conversation with one of them as he's off work at the moment as it does take some time to put someone clearly in the picture .

It comes to something when officers of the law can't even give a straight answer,though in all fairness,they haven't studied the case,as I just gave them the odd snippet to go on,such as the silencer,which the older guy said he was puzzled as to why it would have had to have been used on a .22 rifle anyway.

I agree, it is FAR more difficult for you Lookout (and the other innocent supporters) given that the evidence points to guilty!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #336 on: September 08, 2014, 10:58:AM »
Thanks for that Hartley? These are strong words used in the presence of ladies ones that i like to use face to face.  This is not my quote as i stated to Susan this was taken out of the law Essex newspaper, as you stated i don't know anything about the case and i agree all i can go on is research.

Also I missed out a comma after the word 'know'.  :-[

So you may be taking my meaning a little differently than I intended.  :-\
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #337 on: September 08, 2014, 12:01:PM »
The biggest problems are all the unfounded comments ( hearsay ) about Jeremy,in general. Nothing is worse than saying something about someone who you don't know,though it's appreciated that one can know someone for donkeys years and still " not know " them,but the whole fact of this matter is where a mans' liberty has been taken, with half of it due to the writings of authors such as Claire Powell who was/is a friend of the relatives. It's human nature to all clump together to talk about someone,if you're that way inclined,worse if you don't know them that well and surmise from second-hand news,until you believe it must be true.
The 60's ( free love and drugs ) had been and gone and accepted by most,no choice really,but so far as the relatives were concerned,it still remained a lasting issue to which they lived their lives in disgust toward anyone who was different from themselves. 20 years on,and Jeremy was re-enacting that era which didn't go down well with them at all. Like it or lump it,it was there and if there was nothing else going on in the lives of those persons,then this life of" debauchery" remained at the forefront of their conversations.
Lack of understanding played a large part,as both Jeremy and Sheila grew up during the era where lives were less restrained,and those involved in their care,June and Neville,particularly June didn't move with the times which was damaging to her and both children,as it was more or less guaranteed that one of them would eventually rebel,and that was Sheila. The girl craved love,nothing else,and even fell pregnant probably thinking  that she'd finally have someone to love and that love be returned.
Latterly,in her own way,Sheila was literally crying out for help.She was one very desperate woman who couldn't make either her voice heard,or her feelings known. Everyone was too busy or too self-absorbed to care.

What's made me more and more sure of Jeremys' innocence was the attitude of an ex-prisoner who I spoke to last year,himself released after serving his " usual " stint.At the age of 51,he's served 30 of those years in and out of prison,once being in Full Sutton. I mentioned Jeremy,who this guy didn't hesitate to say he was guilty because he's " posh and has money ".What,said I ? So this guy went on to say that Jeremy was,or had smuggled drugs " inside his body ",to which I answered that I bet this guy made sure he'd had his share ( as he's a druggie ) didn't answer that one.  I didn't ask the guy for the reasons for his imprisonment,but I've been told he's a prolific thief and not to be approached,so dangerous too. Anyway,he made it very clear that he loathed Jeremy. His mother lives in the area and so the police have asked me to keep an eye out if I see him in the area as " things happen when he's around " said the police. ( if I had a gun I'd shoot him  ;D )   

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #338 on: September 08, 2014, 12:47:PM »
 I just want to reiterate on the behaviour of S.Jones,who I've already stated that on visiting the Eatons,he'd left the premises rather drunk after downing most of the contents of a bottle of whisky.PE had offered to take the man home,but Jones insisted he'd drive himself home.
Well the same thing happened on the day after the murders when Jones and Clark went to Goldhanger to interview Jeremy. Jeremy had been shocked to see more than half a litre of whisky had been drunk,with one officer visibly drunk.No prizes for guessing who that would have been !
Jeremy said he'd felt uncomfortable at the time,but the officers didn't think it was out of the ordinary ??

FGS. How can anyone conduct an interview,especially one where 5 people were found dead,when the interviewer was clearly half-pi55ed ?

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« Reply #339 on: September 08, 2014, 12:49:PM »
I just want to reiterate on the behaviour of S.Jones,who I've already stated that on visiting the Eatons,he'd left the premises rather drunk after downing most of the contents of a bottle of whisky.PE had offered to take the man home,but Jones insisted he'd drive himself home.
Well the same thing happened on the day after the murders when Jones and Clark went to Goldhanger to interview Jeremy. Jeremy had been shocked to see more than half a litre of whisky had been drunk,with one officer visibly drunk.No prizes for guessing who that would have been !
Jeremy said he'd felt uncomfortable at the time,but the officers didn't think it was out of the ordinary ??

FGS. How can anyone conduct an interview,especially one where 5 people were found dead,when the interviewer was clearly half-pi55ed ?

Where is that from Lookout?

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #340 on: September 08, 2014, 12:53:PM »
Where is that from Lookout?






Claire Powells' book,Harters. Page 224.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #341 on: September 08, 2014, 12:57:PM »





Claire Powells' book,Harters. Page 224.

Sounds like it has been sensationalised somewhat.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #342 on: September 08, 2014, 01:02:PM »
well powels pro guilt so she wouldn't make things up to discredit the police she must have a reson for saying that.

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #343 on: September 08, 2014, 01:19:PM »
Sounds like it has been sensationalised somewhat.





Some of it's disgusting,Harters. She's done herself no favours whatsoever if she thinks Jeremy's guilty.
I would say at this stage that more people who read her book,the better. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #344 on: September 08, 2014, 01:22:PM »
Some of it's disgusting,Harters. She's done herself no favours whatsoever if she thinks Jeremy's guilty.
I would say at this stage that more people who read her book,the better. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I wouldn't read a great deal in to any of the claims made in the various books.