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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #120 on: September 06, 2014, 04:11:PM »
Skip open your eyes Colin guessed Sheila had committed suicide!!! Anyone in the depths of her illness is NOT acting rationally. It is very PUBLIC knowledge what Sheila said about her children which was far from normal.  Sheila was the victim in this.  Let down by her family, let down by social services, let's down by her doctors and let down by Colin.  If Colin had the slightest inclination Sheila could commit suicide he should have protected his children

My eyes are wide open you are the one who keeps your eyes closed.

1) Colin's uninformed opinion as to who what happened is no more esiginficant than the opinion of anyone else.  Opinion is not worth anything.  WHat matters is what the evidence establishes.  Since the evidence establishes his guit you ignore it and spend your time babbling about unsupported opinion.

2) Much of the unsupported opinion you resort to isn't even accurate.  Colin found it hard to believe she killed Nevill and the boys.  So far from him believing instantly that she did it he had a problem believing she did it. You are harping on the fact he said that if she had killed June and herself he woudl believe that but had a problem beliving she killed Nevill and the boys.  Far from establishing this means he believed she did it, it means the opposite.  Again though what he initially thought is meaningless.  After learning all the facts and evidence he believed Jeremy was guilty.   

Does any of this help suggest Jeremy is innocent?  Not at all so why are you even raising it?  You are raising it because you have nothign at all to sugges the is innocent so are tryting to pretend this does though it doesn't.

Open up your eyes Skip

There is factual evidence from his ex girlfriend that he loved farming
When he wanted to travel he chose a country when he could continue farming something he loved
He had a fantastic public school background and could easily have chosen a different career
Of course he would have wanted to get away from where his family was murdered
Have you got factual prove anywhere that he would not have moved somewhere else and carried on farming

My eyes are wide open yours are still closed.  He complained about farming and complained about his parents trapping him in the farming business though he wanted ot live the good life in london.  He quit farming at their deaths and neve rfarmed again.  He planned to sell the farms to live int he city.  You are the one hiding from relaity all to try to pretend he had no motive to kill his family but such efforts fail miserably.  You are only managing to fool yourself no one else with your antics.

Open your eyes Skip

What bad things?
Barbara Wilson saw Jeremy on a daily basis and she said the opposite in her statements
Who knew JB better Barbara or Mugfords mother
She probably only met Jeremy on a handful of occasions

They are open Barbara Wilson contradicted herself many times on many issues including this one.  Barbara Wilson would tell Jeremy's parents anything he told her so naturally he would not confide in her.  Others who he woudl actually confide in say he had many bad things to say about his parents among others. 

Your eyed are closed because you desperately want to believe Jeremy was an angel and innocent.  All you are doing is proving you are a fool in the process.  You have never articulated a valid basis for beiving he is innocent let alone offered any proof of his innocence.  Just stupid distortions liek this where you try to sugges the would not have done it because he wa ssuch a great guy.  That doesn't refute any of the evidence that convicted him.  My reaction is the same that as a court would repsond to your claims they would be laughed at.

Open your eyes and recognize that you need to learn about the facts of the case before you can even attempt to claim you have come to a decision of innocence or guilt that is informed let alone to explain the informed basis for your assessmnet. 

Open your eyes Skip

The closest person to Sheila her boyfriend said Sheila and Jeremy got on well
Fact

You mean exhusband and he said that she didn't even want to have Jeremy drive her home shortly before the murders.  He implied she had some issue with him.  Moreover, Jeremy's girlfirend said he did not ge ton well with his sister and Jeremy said the same thing.

Your eyes are totally closed and you are completely ignorant of all the pertinent facts of the case and evidence that convicted Jeremy. 

If there were a challenge issued to see which of us could do a better job of defending Jeremy hands down I would prevail because I am actually fully aware of the facts and evidence that was used to convict Jeremy while you are not and thus I can actually try to repsond to such points and evidence.  In contrast you are busy with bogus red herrings and misrepresentaitons that not only are untrue but fail to accomplish anything anyway.

Pretending Jeremy was such a great guy and loved famring and running around telling such to people doesn't do a thing so far as rebutting the evidence against him.  That is why you were totally and completely ineffective at helping Jeremy.
   
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #121 on: September 06, 2014, 04:43:PM »
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I am not talking about her ex husband I am talking about her boyfriend

Jeremy was being honest saying he was not getting on with her around the time of the murders

The FACTS are Sheila was in a bad way around the time of the murders as has been well documented

If he had murdered her with this amazing plan he would never have said what he did

Now you explain that if he had this amazing plan
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #122 on: September 06, 2014, 05:30:PM »
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I am not talking about her ex husband I am talking about her boyfriend

Jeremy was being honest saying he was not getting on with her around the time of the murders

The FACTS are Sheila was in a bad way around the time of the murders as has been well documented

If he had murdered her with this amazing plan he would never have said what he did

Now you explain that if he had this amazing plan

The relevant question is how they got on around the time of the murders not when they were young or even years earlier.

SInce you admit he was telling the truth about not getting on well it seems that your entire exercise trying to establish the contrary was for naught.

 

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« Reply #123 on: September 06, 2014, 05:44:PM »
Not getting on with your sister for a time because of her very serious mental health issues is a million miles away from murdering her

Her boyfriend at the time made the statement they got on with each other

Maybe Jeremy was referring to times when they were a lot closer and spent lots of time together

Sheila's boyfriend obviously didn't believe all the lies and told the truth
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« Reply #124 on: September 06, 2014, 05:52:PM »
Not getting on with your sister for a time because of her very serious mental health issues is a million miles away from murdering her

Her boyfriend at the time made the statement they got on with each other

Maybe Jeremy was referring to times when they were a lot closer and spent lots of time together

Sheila's boyfriend obviously didn't believe all the lies and told the truth

If you are talking about Freddie he was causing many of her problems including supplying her with drugs.

In the meantime the fact they didn't get along at the time was just one small piece of the puzzle.

The main evidence of his guilt is everything you hide from and refuse to discuss because you have no way to refute any of it.
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2014, 05:53:PM »
and her boyfriend has no reason to lie has he.

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« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2014, 06:02:PM »
and her boyfriend has no reason to lie has he.

He had had not seen many of their interactions so had no basis to even judge the issue.

In the meantime he lied about supplying drugs to her among other things so in terms of credibility he is not up there.
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« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2014, 06:05:PM »
he had no vested intrest ethere way so in my opinion he was much more credible then a lot of the other witneses.

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« Reply #128 on: September 06, 2014, 06:18:PM »
He had had not seen many of their interactions so had no basis to even judge the issue.

In the meantime he lied about supplying drugs to her among other things so in terms of credibility he is not up there.

So come on clever dick fill is in how many times did he see Sheila and Jeremy together

You obviously know?
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #129 on: September 06, 2014, 06:28:PM »
has fredie got any reason to want to help jeremy i don't think he has.

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« Reply #130 on: September 06, 2014, 06:35:PM »
No of course not Jeremy used to stay with them
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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #131 on: September 06, 2014, 06:38:PM »
so jackie what did colin say in all this him and freddie are probely the most reliable witnesses.

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« Reply #132 on: September 06, 2014, 06:51:PM »
So come on clever dick fill is in how many times did he see Sheila and Jeremy together

You obviously know?

He mentioned no times in his statement that he he saw them together or even having met Jeremy.  He indicated he met Collin, Nevill and June but no mention of Jeremy.  He described helping her move along with Collin but no mention of Jeremy helping as well.

He said he barely had any contact with her after she got out of the hospital in 1983 other than causal hellos when they crossed paths at clubs and the like.  Then out of the blue one day he decided to pay  a visit and she had delusions and was ultimately hospitalized again.

After she got out again he claims to have her about 10-12 times (you will have to read his statement to see the exact number because I am not certian whether he said 10 or a dozen) again at parties and the like but he said she was very slow talking and hard to converse with.

Sheila on the other hand told Ferguson he had been providing her with drugs so his claims he just ran into her at clubs on rare occasion and stopped by after a long time of no contact and she went crazy at that exact time is not so credible.  Naturally he would have a reason not to admit he was her drug dealer though...

Why would Sheila lie and tell Ferguson he was selling her drugs if that were not the case?

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Re: The Week of the Murders
« Reply #133 on: September 06, 2014, 06:56:PM »
That's not relevant to Jeremy's innocence or guilt just his statement saying how they got on
You are just sidetracking an important point as usual
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« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2014, 07:10:PM »
That's not relevant to Jeremy's innocence or guilt just his statement saying how they got on
You are just sidetracking an important point as usual

Sidetracking what important issue?  Jeremy himself admits they were not getting on well.  He lied and said he was getting along great with his parents though.

The most relevant thing to discuss relative to his guilt or innocence though is the main evidence that convicted him.  That is the physical evidence (including lack of physical evidence to establish Sheila did anything) The credibility of his claims regarding receiving a phone call from Nevill.  His account about leaving the gun and bullets out which police say amounted to him trying to frame Sheila and finally Julie's statements.

The case against him was that he had motive, opportunity, was aware of the crimes though he would have no reason to know anything was wrong unless he killed them and that the person he fingered and framed had not even touched any bullets let alone fired a weapon or beat anyone.  He had the motive and time to wash up and change and dispose of the clothing he had worn while committing the murder while Sheila didn't.  Sheila thus could not have killed anyone else.  Nor could she have killed herself and then after her death have moved her own body, put the bible in a pool of blood that formed after her death or have removed the moderator and put it away.  So she can't have killed herself.

That's the case in a nutshell.  There are naturally details about Jeremy being caught lying and staging things like the 30 bullets in support of his framejob which come into play bu these ar a subset of the whole frame job argument.

 
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