The Week of the Murders

[Jane]

And why was it dismissed ? Because statements taken from Mrs Lister and Mrs Lester,both foster carers, were never disclosed to the defence so therefore could not be part of the defence case,,thus countering what Jeremy had said which was believed to have been all lies !!

What chance did Jeremy stand at all,against a pack of individuals who,it would have seemed,PURPOSELY omitted statements to the defence. It stinks to high Heaven.

Lookout, hard as it maybe to accept, I think the reason it was dismissed is that on its own it has no bearing on whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent. The conversation round the kitchen table MAY have been, word for word, EXACTLY as he said, but that won't necessarily mean he DIDN'T commit the crime.

[JackiePreece]

I take it that a source cannot be supplied for this claim?

To probably the rudest person on this forum I will find a source if it is the truth if you find even one thousand people who think Jeremy is guilty

Keep saying it and someone might believe you one day

[lookout]

Lookout, hard as it maybe to accept, I think the reason it was dismissed is that on its own it has no bearing on whether Jeremy is guilty or innocent. The conversation round the kitchen table MAY have been, word for word, EXACTLY as he said, but that won't necessarily mean he DIDN'T commit the crime.

I'm fully aware that it wouldn't have let Jeremy off the hook,however,I would think that the first view of anyone who either believes Jeremy,or who doesn't,would rightly say that he didn't get a fair trial anyway given that half the information which should have been given to the defence----------wasn't.

Did the powers that be think that the said information wouldn't be of any help,that it was a foregone conclusion that Jeremy would be convicted,or what ? To have withheld that which could have prevented him from being called a liar in the first inst,was to my mind,beyond disgraceful.

[No-Bits]

To probably the rudest person on this forum I will find a source if it is the truth if you find even one thousand people who think Jeremy is guilty

Keep saying it and someone might believe you one day

Now you've started talking to yourself, weird. 

[lookout]

For two years,Sheila had been talking about killing her mother and the children. No doubt this will appear as part of the medical reports in the next submission. For at leas four months,Sheila herself had contemplated suicide.
At the time,schizophrenics don't say " right,I'm going to kill you now ". Their behaviour is such,that as in Sheilas' case,she'd remained passive for pretty much of the day before the killings,even Jeremy had said in his statement that she'd just sat quietly when foster care came into the conversation. He could easily have lied then at that point and said she was up in arms or something,but he continued to tell it how it actually was,with no exaggerations.

[lookout]

According to Lomax's book,Sheila had " gone crazy " many times over the years before the tragedies happened,and with the help of Social Services and of course the immediate family,issues had been resolved without the need for police intervention. This is why Jeremy was always on hand to help with Sheilas' difficulties. Sadly,this is seen as a further excuse to use towards his sister,as it can,and has been twisted to say that Jeremy USED this information to safe-guard himself.
Even the fact about his non 999 phonecall,which I understand about,but nobody else can,as again he's blamed for making excuses.
 The " slow driving" also came in for much criticism too,and this was only the beginning of a ghastly nit-picking case. If he'd have sped to WHF,there'd have been suspicion that he'd have " been helping police with their inquiries ",the same pattern as Huntley,who" couldn't do enough for the police ".Now that's suspicious !!

[scipio_usmc]

Now you've started talking to yourself, weird. 

You stole my line, well actually I was going to write why are you talking about yourself in third person but...

[lookout]

That's right-------------ignore my posts by diverting your attention to something else less interesting.

[Jane]

According to Lomax's book,Sheila had " gone crazy " many times over the years before the tragedies happened,and with the help of Social Services and of course the immediate family,issues had been resolved without the need for police intervention. This is why Jeremy was always on hand to help with Sheilas' difficulties. Sadly,this is seen as a further excuse to use towards his sister,as it can,and has been twisted to say that Jeremy USED this information to safe-guard himself.
Even the fact about his non 999 phonecall,which I understand about,but nobody else can,as again he's blamed for making excuses.
 The " slow driving" also came in for much criticism too,and this was only the beginning of a ghastly nit-picking case. If he'd have sped to WHF,there'd have been suspicion that he'd have " been helping police with their inquiries ",the same pattern as Huntley,who" couldn't do enough for the police ".Now that's suspicious !!

Lookout, if all that Lomax says is true and Sheila "going crazy" was a regular, but secret occurrence with which Jeremy was regularly involved, what was there to stop him, after her death, with there no longer being the need for secrecy, from bringing it out.

[Caroline]

Not sure there is a source, if Jackie he one, She isn't keen on posting it.

[lookout]

Lookout, if all that Lomax says is true and Sheila "going crazy" was a regular, but secret occurrence with which Jeremy was regularly involved, what was there to stop him, after her death, with there no longer being the need for secrecy, from bringing it out.

I'm sure so much went on and was said afterwards that it must have felt like a mish-mash of whys,hows and wherefores,which wasn't helped because whatever Jeremy said or tried to explain,it was more or less ignored or denied by one and all.
Nobody believed his story about the twins being fostered so why should they have believed that he was a regular visitor during Sheilas' attacks.?

[Jane]

I'm sure so much went on and was said afterwards that it must have felt like a mish-mash of whys,hows and wherefores,which wasn't helped because whatever Jeremy said or tried to explain,it was more or less ignored or denied by one and all.
Nobody believed his story about the twins being fostered so why should they have believed that he was a regular visitor during Sheilas' attacks.?

It wasn't a very bright move to withhold information because "nobody believed" one story. He was, in effect, making the job of his defence far more difficult by not giving them the chance to use it.

[lookout]

It wasn't a very bright move to withhold information because "nobody believed" one story. He was, in effect, making the job of his defence far more difficult by not giving them the chance to use it.

April,I think Jeremy thought that he was going to be carried along without a fight. He just wasn't prepared himself,at all for what was about to follow. And because he really thought he was going to walk out of that courtroom he wouldn't have been bothered about anything else being offered to the defence. I believe that he told the truth and in his mind he knew so. It was his gung-ho attitude which let him down--------that's all.

[scipio_usmc]

For two years,Sheila had been talking about killing her mother and the children. No doubt this will appear as part of the medical reports in the next submission. For at leas four months,Sheila herself had contemplated suicide.
At the time,schizophrenics don't say " right,I'm going to kill you now ". Their behaviour is such,that as in Sheilas' case,she'd remained passive for pretty much of the day before the killings,even Jeremy had said in his statement that she'd just sat quietly when foster care came into the conversation. He could easily have lied then at that point and said she was up in arms or something,but he continued to tell it how it actually was,with no exaggerations.

More lies from you.

She didn't talk about killing anyone let alone killing her mother or children.   You cna't even present evidence she talked about killing them a signle occasion let alone multiple times over the course of 2 years.

As for suicide she told her dcotro in 1983 that before treatment she contemplated suicide.  She never told him anything about contemplating suicide at any point after undergoing treatment let alone contemplating it during the months leading up to her death.

Everything you say is always dead wrong.   You coudln't get a fac tin this case right by accident even, you defy the statistical averages...

[scipio_usmc]

According to Lomax's book,Sheila had " gone crazy " many times over the years before the tragedies happened,and with the help of Social Services and of course the immediate family,issues had been resolved without the need for police intervention. This is why Jeremy was always on hand to help with Sheilas' difficulties. Sadly,this is seen as a further excuse to use towards his sister,as it can,and has been twisted to say that Jeremy USED this information to safe-guard himself.
Even the fact about his non 999 phonecall,which I understand about,but nobody else can,as again he's blamed for making excuses.
 The " slow driving" also came in for much criticism too,and this was only the beginning of a ghastly nit-picking case. If he'd have sped to WHF,there'd have been suspicion that he'd have " been helping police with their inquiries ",the same pattern as Huntley,who" couldn't do enough for the police ".Now that's suspicious !!

All his book recounts is the very few instances that were discussed in the statements of her doctor and friends.  All of which occurred prior to her being treated or when she stopped tkaing her medicaiton which is why she was put on injections- so that she no longer would relase as a result of not taking her medication.  She was never violent towards anyone during the course of these episodes which were not at all common like you want to pretend.