Grief

[scipio_usmc]

Wouldn´t that be a self given in a house with multiple firearms and no lockable gun storage?

No, since Sheila had no interest in guns and never even used the weapon in question the likelihood of her searching the closet for it is not good. Worse yet she would have found it with the moderator and scope attached.  His story asserted both were not on the gun when it was left out. 

No only would she have been unlikely to get the weapon and load it herself loading it would put her at risk of it being taken away.  You need both hands to load the magazine so have to put the gun down.

The goal of his story was to get police to believe the gun was in the kitchen, she went into a crazy rage, grabbed it slapped the magazine in and threatened Nevill, Nevill called Jeremy then she shot him.

Police were not supposed to figure out the shooting started in the master bedroom and proceeded to the kitchen after that.

[scipio_usmc]

Alias the thing is Scipio could be right maybe Jeremy made the story up about the rabbits and the rifle nobody left to say one way or another only he really knows the truth.

There is no way he left the rifle out and risked his parents hiding it on him so he could not find it.  he removed the scope and loaded it and he put it in a place of his choosing wher eno one else would disturb it- maybe even in one of th eout buildings so he could enter the window with it already in his possession. 

[Jane]

Alias the thing is Scipio could be right maybe Jeremy made the story up about the rabbits and the rifle nobody left to say one way or another only he really knows the truth.

There is only HIS word for anything which happened within the confines of WHF.

[Alias]

Alias the thing is Scipio could be right maybe Jeremy made the story up about the rabbits and the rifle nobody left to say one way or another only he really knows the truth.

Sure he could be right. (Scipio isn´t the first to say this though.)
It just doesn´t prove anything.

[Alias]

I imagine although there were guns in the house, they weren't loaded but the rifle (being left out) is to hand and the magazine is next to it - full and ready to use. Convenient.

Would Jeremy really expect people to believe that Sheila and his parents would leave a loaded gun within reach of two little children?
He seems dumber and dumber. Maybe he is.

[Caroline]

Would Jeremy really expect people to believe that Sheila and his parents would leave a loaded gun within reach of two little children?
He seems dumber and dumber. Maybe he is.

He had already said the children were in bed - I guess he just didn't think passed that.

[tyler]

Confused! Someone posted earlier that JM claims Jeremy told her that one of his gloves came off during a struggle with his father? How can that be when JM claimed Jeremy had told her that Matthew Mcdonald carried out the killings? And why were AP's fingerprints not on the anshultz,since he had also handled the rifle only days earlier?

[susan]

Morning tyler  so much about this case that is confusing to say the least.  It is my firm opinion Jeremy Bamber murdered his family but the evidence that convicted him left much to be desired. What the outcome of this will be, if any, is anybody's guess.

[Caroline]

Confused! Someone posted earlier that JM claims Jeremy told her that one of his gloves came off during a struggle with his father? How can that be when JM claimed Jeremy had told her that Matthew Mcdonald carried out the killings? And why were AP's fingerprints not on the anshultz,since he had also handled the rifle only days earlier?

It was Steve who mentioned the glove coming off. Can't say I've seen the comment anywhere myself but if he logs on, perhaps he will say where the quote is from?

The gun could have been cleaned in days after AP handled it or they may have been among the prints that couldn't be identified.

[Alias]

It was Steve who mentioned the glove coming off. Can't say I've seen the comment anywhere myself but if he logs on, perhaps he will say where the quote is from?

The gun could have been cleaned in days after AP handled it or they may have been among the prints that couldn't be identified.

Steve often quoted from a book (or books, can´t remember and can´t remember which), so it might be from one of the books.
Or was it form Julie who said that the hitman had told Jeremy that a glove had come off during the fight with Nevill. Jeremy then told Julie. (How likely is that?)
What would the reason be for Jeremy to use gloves, he was at the farm every day, so his prints would be all over the place. I can hear someone say: to protect his hands; but he couldn´t know in advance there would be an altercation with Nevill.

[lookout]

The raid team had admitted knocking over furniture etc when they entered the farmhouse,which had made it look as though there'd been a struggle.
It always puzzles me that they charged in like a bull in a china shop knowing that nobody was alive ? Or could there have been judging the way crockery had fallen from the table ? That area had nothing to do with Neville being found behind the door.

[susan]

Alias steve uk use to skim read books  behind the huge pillars in Waterstones in Manchester perhaps he misread some of the pages and thus ended up with the incorrect information

[nugnug]

The raid team had admitted knocking over furniture etc when they entered the farmhouse,which had made it look as though there'd been a struggle.
It always puzzles me that they charged in like a bull in a china shop knowing that nobody was alive ? Or could there have been judging the way crockery had fallen from the table ? That area had nothing to do with Neville being found behind the door.

thats not that unusual maybe a silly thing to do but its far from unique.

[scipio_usmc]

Would Jeremy really expect people to believe that Sheila and his parents would leave a loaded gun within reach of two little children?
He seems dumber and dumber. Maybe he is.

Why do you think he said he did it so late in the day?  His goal was to try to make it seem that it was so late that they would not notice it and not disturb it. 

He wasn't stupid enough to claim he did it early in the day.

It doesn't make him look very good though to claim he did it knowing two young nephews were around so he would have to be stupid to do what he claims he did.   

Being that he needed to say he left it out so late in the day he needed to come up with some plausible reason for doing so.  The bunny story was the only thing he could think up which wasn't all that good in terms of being likely but he thought was good because it gave an excuse for the magazine being loaded.  He claimed they split before he could get a shot off so the magazine was still loaded.

He was stupid in another sense.  He didn't count out how many shots he had fired and try to make the number of bullets he staged match his story.  He easily could have avoided needing to count the number of shots.  All he had to do was take out a full box of ammo and use it so that the remaining number would match his claims.  Instead he just used whatever ammo he could from the ammo carrier or wherever then stuck a partially used box with a random number of rounds in the kitchen for his staging. It had too many and thus revealed it was staged.

Maybe he was too stupid to think of using a full box to match his story.  But more likely is that he didn't think up the story in advance about the full box of bullets being taken out and rabbits but rather made it up after he killed everyone. 



   

[susan]

Scipio  do we in fact know Jeremy Bamber left a loaded rifle out after the pretext of shooting rabbits maybe that was just a story to try and convince the police that Sheila was guilty he knew where the guns were kept and he could have left a loaded rifle out of sight for when he returned to the farm.