Sheila's blood underneath the bible. Certain guilt ?

[Adam]

The bible seems very staged to me. 

Sheila was in a psychotic rage, yet picked up and opened a bible before killing herself. 

A suicide note ? I thought her rage was sudden and spontaneous from an out of control woman. Did she write the note during this episode, or was it written beforehand ? 

How did blood get onto the bible ? After shooting herself once, her hand would have gone to her neck wound as an instant reaction. She would then have to pick up the bible, open it and put it next to her. 

But why not put the bible next to her before firing the first shot, as she would be expecting to be dead after the first shot. Or at least immobilised.

[Adam]

Sheila was very clean and unmarked after the massacre. Some people suggest she showered afterwards.  

It would be common sense for her to get the bible and put it down, before firing the first shot. As she was expecting and hoping to be dead after the first shot. 

It is also likely she got the bible to read to herself as some sort of religious routine, before the first shot. She couldn't do this if dead. 

So the bible should not have a drop of blood on it.  

Not only did the bible have blood on the pages, it was on top of Sheila's blood already on the carpet !!!!

[Adam]

Bamber knew about the bible from early on. It was discussed at his interviews. 

The pictures of the bibles were of course available to the defence. Of course they will not bring up the blood on it, as it does them more harm than good. 

The most incriminating thing about the bible is it was on top of Sheila's blood. Which was only possible by Bamber, as he went about his post massacre scene staging.

[Adam]

The bible was also June's, which supports a frame. 

Bamber knew the bible was there. He said he may have used it to swipe Crispy with.  So he simply used an available bible, which was not Sheila's, to assist his staging attempt. 

Now if Sheila's own religious book, which she had brought with her to WHF, was found next to her, that would be more plausible. Bamber could claim he didn't know this book existed. 

There is no guarantee Sheila knew where the bible was, or that she would remember in her psychotic rage. Or bother using it.

This and my other three posts on the bible, above,  have again shown without doubt that Bamber is guilty.

[Adam]

The alleged note inside the bible was obviously June's. Bamber said she was a religious maniac. 

The bible seems used, which is not surprising as June went to bible practice. So June must have just written something down and left it in the bible. 

I doubt Bamber would attempt to write a fake suicide note. A hand writing expert will confirm it was not from Sheila. 

If Sheila was going to write a suicide note, she would leave it on display, for people to read. Not hide it away inside the bible.

[Adam]

There has been recent discussion about the bible. Here is the previous thread on it.

Obviously in several ways, the bible highlights Bamber's certain guilt, in both a forensic and circumstantial way. There are no two ways about it.

[lookout]

How can a Bible highlight Bamber's guilt ? You're fast losing it.
Whose blood was on it ? Who'd chucked it to land " with pages parted downwards " as opposed to placing it ?
 How many positions was the Bible placed in ? Sheila's chest ? Then away from her body to the right of her ? Opened at a " supposed " relevant page ? Closed with blood in its pages,then opened to show a mirror image of the blood pattern ? Left with a note and crocheted doily inside ?

[Adam]

How can a Bible highlight Bamber's guilt ? You're fast losing it.
Whose blood was on it ? Who'd chucked it to land " with pages parted downwards " as opposed to placing it ?
 How many positions was the Bible placed in ? Sheila's chest ? Then away from her body to the right of her ? Opened at a " supposed " relevant page ? Closed with blood in its pages,then opened to show a mirror image of the blood pattern ? Left with a note and crocheted doily inside ?

Well my five posts above highlight certain guilt.

Sheila, in a psychotic rage had to amazingly decide to use June's bible and know where it was. But if she was so religious why didn't she have her own book ?

There shouldn't be any blood on or underneath June's bible. As Sheila would have read it, opened it, put an alleged suicide note in it, and laid it down next to her. All before her first shot.

Bamber using June's bible, which he knew about and in error putting it on her blood, after killing her is the sort of calculated thing a person attempting a frame would do.

[lookout]

Well my five posts above highlight certain guilt.

Sheila, in a psychotic rage had to decide to use June's bible and know where it was. But if she was so religious why didn't she have her own book ?

There shouldn't be any blood on or underneath June's bible. As Sheila would have read it, opened it, put an alleged suicide note in it, and laid it down next to her. All before her first shot.

Bamber using June's bible, which he knew about and putting it on her blood, after killing her is the sort of calculated thing a person attempting a frame would do.

And MY posts reflect his innocence,so there.

[Jane]

And MY posts reflect his innocence,so there.

Sorry, Lookout, but as you've laid out nothing which joins up OTHER than numerous unsubstantiated claims, your posts ONLY reflect your belief in Jeremy's innocence, they don't reflect it.

[Adam]

Bamber telling the police he knew about June's bible was not a smart move.

He could claim he knew nothing about it and had never seen it. It was a big house and he had not lived there for a long time. He knew June was religious but why would he see her bible, which was probably kept in the main bedroom. He was not religious.

There is a possibility he had never picked up the bible with his bare hands. Or that he had wiped it down after the massacre. Not having his finger prints on it, would support his claim of ignorance.

Or he could say he may have seen it, but doesn't remember doing so.

Of course the police could say he did know about the bible, but Bamber's denial wouldn't do him any harm. If the jury believed him, it meant only Sheila put it there.

[lookout]

You're as gullible as the relatives were when they were being fed all the police jargon. " Established " being their favourite word,but in this case they hadn't " established " anything.

Police are either over-zealous in their arrests/convictions/investigations or they are dilatory when it comes to the more thorough investigations which require brain work.

A for instance of shoddy police work was the sad story of a mother and her two boys who'd been murdered and buried in their garden------------for three weeks before they were found !!
This is 30 years later as investigations go,but I bet nobody will come under fire for their lack of vigilance and overall thoroughness.

[Adam]

By the same token, there is no reason why Sheila should know about the bible. Or certainly where it was on the night

If June was a religious maniac she could have been moving it around on a daily basis. Sheila in her state is unlikely to follow it's movements.

She had not lived there for years and had only just gone there for a holiday. It could be anywhere in a big house.

Bamber would exactly where it was. Probably checking at supper.

[Jane]

You're as gullible as the relatives were when they were being fed all the police jargon. " Established " being their favourite word,but in this case they hadn't " established " anything.

Police are either over-zealous in their arrests/convictions/investigations or they are dilatory when it comes to the more thorough investigations which require brain work.

A for instance of shoddy police work was the sad story of a mother and her two boys who'd been murdered and buried in their garden------------for three weeks before they were found !!
This is 30 years later as investigations go,but I bet nobody will come under fire for their lack of vigilance and overall thoroughness.

Such -the misdoings of all other police forces from then until present day- seems to be the only reason you can put forward for Jeremy's innocence.

[Adam]

Lookout this thread is about the bible. And the forensic and circumstantial evidence around it highlighting certain guilt.