Sheila's blood underneath the bible. Certain guilt ?

[Caroline]

Right - opposite side.

I remember Scipio said something about the pages being folded over but I don't see how that would make any difference because even if they were folded under, the top of the page is still going to be folded to the side that isn't sitting in the stain. I'll try and draw what I mean.

[Alias]

I remember Scipio said something about the pages being folded over but I don't see how that would make any difference because even if they were folded under, the top of the page is still going to be folded to the side that isn't sitting in the stain. I'll try and draw what I mean.

I can see what you mean - but please do! 

[Caroline]

I can see what you mean - but please do! 

It's a bit of a crude example but you get the idea - obviously the line is only approximate (for the more pedantic members among us!).

[Caroline]

There is no fold visible from the other side and it can't have been moved because the small blood spot on Sheila's arm is still inline with the drop on the note.

[Jan]

I thought that was a drop of blood -but on looking at it later I was not so sure - why is there not one with the other drip of blood.

Also if the statement about the bible originally being at waist height about 12-18" away from the body is correct - then if it is blood it makes it worse for the police because to make that spot the blood would still have been wet?

[Caroline]

I thought that was a drop of blood -but on looking at it later I was not so sure - why is there not one with the other drip of blood.

Also if the statement about the bible originally being at waist height about 12-18" away from the body is correct - then if it is blood it makes it worse for the police because to make that spot the blood would still have been wet?

Sorry Jansus, I don't know what you mean? It might not be a drip of blood, all I meant was that in both the picture taken from the top of the bible and the one from the bottom the 'spot' (whatever it is) is lined up so it can't have been moved in between taking the two shots - (if that makes sense?)

[No-Bits]

I thought that was a drop of blood -but on looking at it later I was not so sure - why is there not one with the other drip of blood.

Also if the statement about the bible originally being at waist height about 12-18" away from the body is correct - then if it is blood it makes it worse for the police because to make that spot the blood would still have been wet?

I don't think it is a drop of blood. It's black and isn't actually lined up with the blood trail, plus as you say there should be another on the other trail.
I think it's ink.

[Jan]

I don't think it is a drop of blood. It's black and isn't actually lined up with the blood trail, plus as you say there should be another on the other trail.
I think it's ink.

yes that's the one I meant.

[No-Bits]

yes that's the one I meant.

Maybe we have both misunderstood Caroline though? 

[Jan]

Maybe we have both misunderstood Caroline though? 

yes possibly.


I think if the police had not mentioned the possibility of the bible being moved    then the photos must hold a lot of clues if we were expert enough to interpret them.

[No-Bits]

yes possibly.


I think if the police had not mentioned the possibility of the bible being moved    then the photos must hold a lot of clues if we were expert enough to interpret them.

The area where that black dot is, looks like a hand written note rather than a page of the bible, or it does to me anyway. 

[Caroline]

The area where that black dot is, looks like a hand written note rather than a page of the bible, or it does to me anyway. 

It is a handwritten note, click on the picture - it's MASSIVE!!

Yes, y'all did misunderstand, I was just using it as a ref point - I don't know if it's blood or not.

[No-Bits]

It is a handwritten note, click on the picture - it's MASSIVE!!

Yes, y'all did misunderstand, I was just using it as a ref point - I don't know if it's blood or not.

Gotcha.

[scipio_usmc]

There is no fold visible from the other side and it can't have been moved because the small blood spot on Sheila's arm is still inline with the drop on the note.

The folding is evident if you look very carefully but because this photo was taken right on top you can't see as good as you would if taken further away to show the entire side.

The significance of the fold is that the part touching the floor (and thus toughing the bloodstain) is the left page instead of right. If it was just folded nicely in half then the right side would be touching the blood. I am referring to the sides while it is upside down not facing us.

While some would love to say it is a palm print and therefore the killer had to have touched it and this proves Sheila was not the killer it is not  aplam print it is just from sitting in the pool of blood.

Why it was folded over instead of nicely cracked in half is what makes little sense. I don't know what Jeremy was thinking. Harters thinks the dorr pushed it against her and it had actually been further away from her. In any event it should have been much lower if wanting to pretned she looked at it before shooting herself, she didn't kill herself lying down. 

[Caroline]

The folding is evident if you look very carefully but because this photo was taken right on top you can't see as good as you would if taken further away to show the entire side.

The significance of the fold is that the part touching the floor (and thus toughing the bloodstain) is the left page instead of right. If it was just folded nicely in half then the right side would be touching the blood. I am referring to the sides while it is upside down not facing us.

While some would love to say it is a palm print and therefore the killer had to have touched it and this proves Sheila was not the killer it is not  aplam print it is just from sitting in the pool of blood.

Why it was folded over instead of nicely cracked in half is what makes little sense. I don't know what Jeremy was thinking. Harters thinks the dorr pushed it against her and it had actually been further away from her. In any event it should have been much lower if wanting to pretned she looked at it before shooting herself, she didn't kill herself lying down.

I really don't understand what you mean about it being folded over at all, if the page is folded it would still not in the blood. By the way, Jeremy has a copy of the original and he confirmed it is a palm print.