Sheila's blood underneath the bible. Certain guilt ?

[Adam]

I think the professor is wrong actually. I don´t know how he gets to that conclusion looking at the blood on her gown and her right arm. She must have been at least partially upright.

An expert at the 2002 appeal said Sheila's legs were pulled after the second shot. This does mean she was sitting up when she got the second shot. Just that she was pulled after the second shot, away from the cabinet.

Both the professor & 2002 appeal expert are right.

[Alias]

Jansus, you can see it here. There is this elongated white thing on the floor, bottom right in photo. On the next, the white elongated thing is further out, bottom center of picture.





Don´t know about the blood - you can take a look at the pictures we have of the bible on page two in the picture thread in the archives.

[lookout]

Professor Bernard Knight for the defence had stated that a Bible was part of a ritualistic scenario of suicide.
As in Claire Powells' book,there doesn't appear to be any reference made to the blood on the Bible in Wilkes book either.

What it does mention in Wilkes's book is that Sheila had admitted to Dr Ferguson that she had been violent towards her children and that she felt capable of murdering them. Now if Jeremy had said this,he'd have been arrested !

[Jan]

Adam

We don't KNOW.

I repeat the first three officers commented that the photos were different in three respects - the bible , the gun and the position of her head.

The person who took the photos  admitted moving the gun and her hand

where did I say they moved the bible to the position in the photos?

If the PC adams was correct it could have been some other officers in between him and the photographers. 

But it is relevant to your argument , very relevant.

I cant make it any clearer.

[Adam]

The only way blood could end up under the bible is if -

It was already next to Sheila within easy reach. After the first shot, Sheila picked it and moved it prior to the second shot.

That does not seem credible. Sheila would have read the bible prior to her first shot. Expecting the first shot to kill her.

When the first shot did not kill her, she will just be interested in firing the second shot and killing herself. Not touching a bible already next to her. She will be in great pain and shock as well.

[maggie]

The only way blood could end up under the bible is if -

It was already next to Sheila within easy reach. After the first shot, Sheila picked it and moved it prior to the second shot.

That does not seem credible. Sheila would have read the bible prior to her first shot. Expecting the first shot to kill her.

When the first shot did not kill her, she will just be interested in firing the second shot and killing herself. Not touching a bible already next to her. She will be in great pain and shock as well.

Adam, she would be in shock therefore she wouldn't  feel pain for quite a while after the injury.

[Jan]

its ok - on your picture on the end of the note I thought it looked like blood had run on to the note - but not so sure now.

yes the white thing does not look like a doiley - its more like a lace cut out book mark.

[Alias]

Jansus, you can see it here. There is this elongated white thing on the floor, bottom right in photo. On the next, the white elongated thing is further out, bottom center of picture.





Don´t know about the blood - you can take a look at the pictures we have of the bible on page two in the picture thread in the archives.

There is also the doily you see at the bottom of the bible. On the first picture, it is more to the right (inside bible) than on the bottom one. That bible was moved around, no doubt about it.

[Jan]

yes it was definitely moved.

[lookout]

Did June and Sheila each have one of these Bibles ?

[Jane]

Did June and Sheila each have one of these Bibles ?

Lookout, it seems there were numerous bibles in the house. I heard mention of one with a black cover.

[lookout]

Hi April. I meant one each of the one photographed. I knew there were about 5 around the place in various parts of the farmhouse.

[maggie]

Lookout, it seems there were numerous bibles in the house. I heard mention of one with a black cover.

Hi April, think there were four or five weren't there?  There was a black backed one, a King James bible, one of the bibles was June's special edition which had illustrations in it, then there was the New English Bible ( the blue one) think they were kept in various rooms for June to consult when necessary.  Poor June does seem to have had a very obsessive almost debilitating dependence on the bible for her support, like a kind of addiction from what I can see.

[lookout]

The one with the illustrations in it was the first one I saw over 2 years ago,but I haven't seen it pictured since. That was face up showing an illustration on one side and scripts on the facing page. That too was in the main bedroom,possibly on the floor too.

[maggie]

The one with the illustrations in it was the first one I saw over 2 years ago,but I haven't seen it pictured since. That was face up showing an illustration on one side and scripts on the facing page. That too was in the main bedroom,possibly on the floor too.

Think that was June's most precious bible wasn't it??