Sheila's blood underneath the bible. Certain guilt ?

[Adam]

Adam

If PC adams said he thought the bible had been moved ( with two others) then it must have been the later officers who moved it - we are concentrating on the police because by that stage they were the only people there.

So I repeat - if they moved the bible and then laid it on top of the blood - that would indicate the blood was still wet ? that would show she died not long before the police entered.

Why would the police move anything before the crime scene people arrived ?

What is point in taking photos or treating it as a crime scene ?

At that time no one had determined it as murder/suicide. The case was still open.

[Adam]

The bible is by Sheila's shoulder. 

If she was laying down during the first shot, it is doubtful she would then pick it up and put it by her shoulder. That would mean more effort in lifting her arm up.

[Jan]

I don't know - why would they? Its not me saying this it comes from the police themselves .

Also there was a positive fingerprint ID from the bible - so whos prints were they?

Where is the note from the bible ? And the doiley?

And why were the defence told there were no photos of the bible away from the scene - when they were in existence?

[Jan]

The bible is by Sheila's shoulder. 

If she was laying down during the first shot, it is doubtful she would then pick it up and put it by her shoulder. That would mean more effort in lifting her arm up.

but Adams said it was laying level with her waist originally so that would make more sense wouldn't it?

[Alias]

The bible is by Sheila's shoulder. 

If she was laying down during the first shot, it is doubtful she would then pick it up and put it by her shoulder. That would mean more effort in lifting her arm up.

Sheila must have been sitting for the first shot. The blood pattern tells us that.

[Adam]

Police that were there will make statements.

These may differ due to human error. Waist, shoulder etc.

That is why there are crime scene photographers and forensic people. So everyone goes by one thing at trial.

[lookout]

And all come away with different versions !

[lookout]

One officer didn't even see a rifle on Sheilas' body.

[Adam]

Sheila must have been sitting for the first shot. The blood pattern tells us that.

If she was sitting prior to the first shot, the diary would be at the top of her legs. Right next to her upper torso. The perfect position if you want something next to you.

Why move it after the first shot ?

[Alias]

If she was sitting prior to the first shot, the diary would be at the top of her legs. Right next to her upper torso. The perfect position if you want something next to you.

Why move it after the first shot ?

You don´t know where the bible was - I don´t know either. 

[Adam]

However professor MacDonell said Sheila was lying down for both shots.

As the evidence did not show that she stood up after the first shot, she must have lifted the bible and put it next to her shoulder. Which would take up more energy than putting it by her waist.

Unless the bible did not move after the first shot. So how did Sheila's blood get underneath it ?

[Alias]

However professor MacDonell said Sheila was lying down for both shots.

As the evidence did not show that she stood up after the first shot, she must have lifted the bible and put it next to her shoulder. Which would take up more energy than putting it by her waist.

I think the professor is wrong actually. I don´t know how he gets to that conclusion looking at the blood on her gown and her right arm. She must have been at least partially upright.

[Jan]

Police that were there will make statements.

These may differ due to human error. Waist, shoulder etc.

That is why there are crime scene photographers and forensic people. So everyone goes by one thing at trial.

?? They were first at the scene - they commented the bible had been moved in the photos ?

The crime scene officers admitted moving the gun and her arm/hand ?

Not all of this evidence was given to the defence team .

So where is your argument going ?

what happened to the note?

And whos prints were in the blood on the bible - surely your books must tell you that?

[Jan]

Sheila must have been sitting for the first shot. The blood pattern tells us that.

Alias do you have those two pictures  of where the bible was moved? if so can you have a look - because one picture I saw it looked as if the blood from the top of her arm had slightly spotted on the bible. If it had and it was the second picture , then it would mean her blood was still wet.

[Adam]

?? They were first at the scene - they commented the bible had been moved in the photos ?

The crime scene officers admitted moving the gun and her arm/hand ?

Not all of this evidence was given to the defence team .

So where is your argument going ?

what happened to the note?

And whos prints were in the blood on the bible - surely your books must tell you that?

Oh so the photographer moved the bible ? Crime scene photographers, always looking for that special picture.

This thread is about proving certain guilt. The other evidence regarding the bible is worthy of another thread. Another time.