Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[tyler]

Thank you lookout and susan x

[Patti]

Wait there.

Jeremy and his lawyers approach a top professor to make a detailed review of the evidence. But have no control over what information is given to professor.

Did they ask for a refund ?

I'm waiting....Please listen to me Adam, I shall only say this once.

Robinson publishers paid for Mcddonnell to examine the photographs which Jeremy supplied.  Wilkes had his book published by Robinson publishers and I have conversed with Mr Robinson who told me that they funded the examination for Wilkes book.  What part of that do you not understand? NO LAWYERS were involved at the time and Jeremy was skint. 

[curiousessex]

I'm waiting....Please listen to me Adam, I shall only say this once.

Robinson publishers paid for Mcddonnell to examine the photographs which Jeremy supplied.  Wilkes had his book published by Robinson publishers and I have conversed with Mr Robinson who told me that they funded the examination for Wilkes book.  What part of that do you not understand? NO LAWYERS were involved at the time and Jeremy was skint. 

Adam,

Patti is correct.

The publishers of Wilkes' book 'Blood Relations' paid for the reports as were produced for Jeremy by the Professor. These facts are also detailed and confirmed within Wilkes' book.

[Adam]

Whatever.

The book also says Jeremy at first offered his story to the Sunday Sport.

The main point of this thread was the professors findings.

[lookout]

Whatever.

The book also says Jeremy at first offered his story to the Sunday Sport.

The main point of this thread was the professors findings.

Accept the answer,will you. Jeremy was looking for a quick buck to pay the professor for having done Jeremy a favour.

[scipio_usmc]

You know him don't you ?

He was hired by Jeremy in 1993. He was America's first and foremost ballistics expert.

He did a through investigation of all the trial evidence and new evidence that Jeremy's lawyer, Ewen Smith had got together.

His findings -

Everyone, including Sheila was shot to death by someone else.

He makes some interesting points.

Jeremy vowed to keep on fighting.

Ballistics expert?  Until his child sexual abuse escapades he was a blood expert.  He wasn't the best simply one of the most well known.

Just saying someone is an expert in a field is not enough they need to explain their position.  Partisans on both sides of the aisle want to use his claims but they help neither because they are not reliable.

His claim that she was shot while lying down and that blood pooled on her shoulder by running down to it is refuted by other experts who make more sense.   The supposed lack of any downward trails is of course untrue.  Blood did flow down at first and later transitioned to moving from the side of the wounds. 

Blood dripped down her arm and ran to her wrist there is no support for his claim it was wiped to her hand and ran to her elbow.

Whether he messed up because he is not as good as he thought he was, he didn't take enough time to carfully review everything he needed ot or was not shown everthing he should is unknown.  The fact of the matter is that his claims are not credible so when either side tries to use his points it is sheer folly.   

[Alias]

Ballistics expert?  Until his child sexual abuse escapades he was a blood expert.  He wasn't the best simply one of the most well known.

Just saying someone is an expert in a field is not enough they need to explain their position.  Partisans on both sides of the aisle want to use his claims but they help neither because they are not reliable.

His claim that she was shot while lying down and that blood pooled on her shoulder by running down to it is refuted by other experts who make more sense.   The supposed lack of any downward trails is of course untrue.  Blood did flow down at first and later transitioned to moving from the side of the wounds. 

Blood dripped down her arm and ran to her wrist there is no support for his claim it was wiped to her hand and ran to her elbow.

Whether he messed up because he is not as good as he thought he was, he didn't take enough time to carfully review everything he needed ot or was not shown everthing he should is unknown.  The fact of the matter is that his claims are not credible so when either side tries to use his points it is sheer folly.

That is plain wrong - unless that blood defied the laws of gravity.

[scipio_usmc]

That is plain wrong - unless that blood defied the laws of gravity.

Where did you learn about gravity?  Here on planet Earth things run down not up.  Hence the drops ran down to her wrist which was lower than her elbow.

The claim she had her hand up near her neck and it ran down to her elbow is completely wrong and that is why his assessment that Jeremy was holding her arm up near her wounds is wrong.

If he were right than that would be an added reaosn that Sheila could not have done it and was innocent because dead people can't move their arms to wipe blood from their wounds after their death.     

Jeremy supporters cherrypick what they feel they can use from his assessments and ignore the rest and some who assert Jeremy is guilty like Adam love to use his claims.  But they are untenable claims so can't be used by either side unless one wants to sacrifice their integrity and stop arguing based on solid evidence and instead using any crap they can find no matter how wrong it may be.

[tyler]

He was sent a handful of crime scene photographs and admitted that he didn't have time to look at ALL of them!

[scipio_usmc]

He was sent a handful of crime scene photographs and admitted that he didn't have time to look at ALL of them!

That alone means he is not worth paying for anything that he would just make a rash determination. If you have integrity you say I have not had a chance I need more time but if you have no more time and want to go to someone else you can.  He used his position to abuse some young girls so it is safe to say he won't be able to rip off anyone else.

[Alias]

Where did you learn about gravity?  Here on planet Earth things run down not up.  Hence the drops ran down to her wrist which was lower than her elbow.

The claim she had her hand up near her neck and it ran down to her elbow is completely wrong and that is why his assessment that Jeremy was holding her arm up near her wounds is wrong.

If he were right than that would be an added reaosn that Sheila could not have done it and was innocent because dead people can't move their arms to wipe blood from their wounds after their death.     

Jeremy supporters cherrypick what they feel they can use from his assessments and ignore the rest and some who assert Jeremy is guilty like Adam love to use his claims.  But they are untenable claims so can't be used by either side unless one wants to sacrifice their integrity and stop arguing based on solid evidence and instead using any crap they can find no matter how wrong it may be.

I strongly disagree with what you say here.
The streams of blood on Sheila´s arm pool towards the elbow, meaning her wrist was up, elbow down: opposite of what you claim. You are wrong, scipio.
No matter how nasty you get, there is no way you can convince me otherwise, what you claim is impossible.

[nugnug]

He was sent a handful of crime scene photographs and admitted that he didn't have time to look at ALL of them!

how very professional.

[lookout]

Seemingly there was blood on the back of her nightdress.Where did it come from and whose was it ?

[nugnug]

well they should really know.

[Jane]

Seemingly there was blood on the back of her nightdress.Where did it come from and whose was it ?

If it was around the shoulder and upper back area, I think it's reasonable to assume that it came from her own wounds.