Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[Jan]

Can you provide the link please.

I never said Sheila could not have fired both shots. Without the moderator attached.

The bible evidence on page one is damning. The police have never said they moved anything prior to photos being taken.

I cannot believe Sheila would shoot herself once and then move the bible and page marker onto blood already on the floor.

just google his name it will come up - Are you inferring I am not telling the truth?


Plus reference your second comment -

read the attached and have a re-think

[Jan]

it wont post - but it is on the forum where three officers said that the photos did not show the bible ,her head or the rifle in the position they saw originally.

[Adam]

The pathologist is right. Sheila could shoot herself twice. The first bullet would have left her in extreme paid and shock. But would not have caused instant death.

The professor said it was not possible for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer attached. The evidence is that the silencer is attached.

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,126.msg251.html#msg251

as you love your links

[Adam]

it wont post - but it is on the forum where three officers said that the photos did not show the bible ,her head or the rifle in the position they saw originally.

So you are saying the evidence that Jeremy and his lawyers gave the professor they had hired, was wrong.

[Jan]

So you are saying the evidence that Jeremy and his lawyers gave the professor they had hired, was wrong.

not quite getting your point there?

you are slowing coming to the same conclusion as the Dickinson report that the only solid evidence is the silencer and julies testimony .

this is from NGB

"You have not read the reports written by the experts who conducted the tests.  They were very helpful to the defence and indicated strongly that the shots to Sheila had been made without the silencer attached, and that the burns to Nevill were consistent with the application of the heated end of the rifle, again without the silencer.  Heating to 200 degrees C was sufficient and although the barrel could not have reached this temperature through firing of the rifle alone, it would have been easy to use the Aga as a heat source for this.  Further tests were necessary but there was no time for these to be carried out.



Caroline has made a good point - if Jeremy is guilty and he used the silencer - which is what you are saying - WHY has he been so  insistent that as many tests as possible are carried out on that silencer? Because surely that can only PROVE his guilt?

[Adam]

not quite getting your point there?

you are slowing coming to the same conclusion as the Dickinson report that the only solid evidence is the silencer and julies testimony .

this is from NGB

"You have not read the reports written by the experts who conducted the tests.  They were very helpful to the defence and indicated strongly that the shots to Sheila had been made without the silencer attached, and that the burns to Nevill were consistent with the application of the heated end of the rifle, again without the silencer.  Heating to 200 degrees C was sufficient and although the barrel could not have reached this temperature through firing of the rifle alone, it would have been easy to use the Aga as a heat source for this.  Further tests were necessary but there was no time for these to be carried out.



Caroline has made a good point - if Jeremy is guilty and he used the silencer - which is what you are saying - WHY has he been so  insistent that as many tests as possible are carried out on that silencer? Because surely that can only PROVE his guilt?

There is a lot of forensic evidence that Sheila did not commit the massacre. But I won't repeat.

Lots of tests were done on the silencer. All coming to the same conclusion.

Even if it was just human blood, what an earth was it doing on the silencer. And why would Sheila put it neatly away. Almost out of sight ?

[Jan]

There is a lot of forensic evidence that Sheila did not commit the massacre. But I won't repeat.

Lots of tests were done on the silencer. All coming to the same conclusion.

Even if it was just human blood, what an earth was it doing on the silencer. And why would Sheila put it neatly away. Almost out of sight ?

I don't think the silencer was on the gun at all.

[Adam]

My point is you are saying the evidence Jeremy gave to the professor, 8 years after the crime is wrong.

Jeremy did not argue against the professor at the time. But then focused all his time on the silencer.

[Jan]

My point is you are saying the evidence Jeremy gave to the professor, 8 years after the crime is wrong.

Jeremy did not argue against the professor at the time. But then focused all his time on the silencer.

still not getting your point - what evidence that Jeremy gave him is wrong ? The photos?

If the police statement is correct than yes the body ay have been moved before the photos? But maybe Jeremy did not know that at the time ?

I don't expect the statement in the link I gave you came up at the trial - perhaps it has been found since then?

So I am still not getting your point?

And why would Jeremy concentrate on the silencer if he was the murderer and knew it was on there at the time?

[Adam]

still not getting your point - what evidence that Jeremy gave him is wrong ? The photos?

If the police statement is correct than yes the body ay have been moved before the photos? But maybe Jeremy did not know that at the time ?

I don't expect the statement in the link I gave you came up at the trial - perhaps it has been found since then?

So I am still not getting your point?

And why would Jeremy concentrate on the silencer if he was the murderer and knew it was on there at the time?

In 1993 Jeremy gave the best forensic professor in the world all the evidence he had on the case.

His results are on page one.

Is there now evidence that the 1993 evidence was wrong ? Or just rumours about bodies being moved by the police ?

[Jan]

1993 - is a clue

It was all the information he had at the time - now a lot more has been revealed

And the information is from the police themselves ? So are they not telling the truth?

[Adam]

Ok. So now I understand.

Eight years of evidence compiled by Jeremy and his team, was given to the worlds best forensic professor.

But the evidence Jeremy and his team had compiled was wrong.

Thank you.

[Adam]

It's lucky for Jeremy that the 8 years worth of evidence he compiled himself and gave to the hand picked professor was apparently wrong.

The professor highlights guilt (see page 1).

Jeremy did not argue with the professors findings. Turning his attention towards the silencer instead.

Jeremy has never publicly mentioned Professor MacDonell in his 29 year campaign for freedom, as far as I am aware.

Some things are best left unsaid.

[Adam]

I say 'apparently' in my last thread, as it is only Jeremy and his supporters that say the police moved things around prior to the crime scene investigators and photographers arriving. Although this was not protocol in 1985.

It is lucky the police did move things, how else would the bible be on top of Sheila's blood on the carpet ?