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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #135 on: September 04, 2014, 12:36:PM »
How thick are the walls at WHF and was a sound test ever done to prove that "fact"?


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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #136 on: September 04, 2014, 01:03:PM »
How thick are the walls at WHF and was a sound test ever done to prove that "fact"?

There is an obvious problem with those walls. It is claimed that Sheila could sleep through the shootings inside the house because they are so thick, but the police would easily have heard a shot outside.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #137 on: September 04, 2014, 01:07:PM »
There is an obvious problem with those walls. It is claimed that Sheila could sleep through the shootings inside the house because they are so thick, but the police would easily have heard a shot outside.

They are just brick walls, some are single brick (102mm) plus plaster; some are double brick (215mm) plus plaster.

The floor plans on here are fairly accurate with regards to the wall thicknesses.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #138 on: September 04, 2014, 01:09:PM »
Probably about 16" depth. The places were built to last.No breeze-blocks then !

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #139 on: September 04, 2014, 01:22:PM »
They are just brick walls, some are single brick (102mm) plus plaster; some are double brick (215mm) plus plaster.

The floor plans on here are fairly accurate with regards to the wall thicknesses.

The external walls with finishes vary between approx. 300-400mm.





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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #140 on: September 04, 2014, 04:58:PM »
well I remember Grahame posting a video of the firing of that rifle and it was not particularly loud without the moderator. And we have to remember that one officer wanted fingerprints taken of the unidentified person seen at the window. So perhaps not a trick of the light after all.

Plus the Dickinson report covered why she would not have had blood on her clothes.

So I am sorry I have still not seen any PROOF that Sheila did not do it.

I think that although Scipio makes every excuse under the sun for the mistakes in the police statements  and the notes available, they were supposed to be professionals and you can not keep excusing every mistake.

As they admitted moving the body for photographs I get the feeling that that is why the body looks staged - I still think she did commit suicide but the body was moved , the bible was moved and the rifle was moved - it may just have been to get the crime scene photos, I am not sure , but if the police had come in and seen the body/hand/gun / bible in the position we have seen them in then IMO it would be pretty obvious it was staged so they would have realised immediately that something was not correct.


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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #141 on: September 04, 2014, 05:03:PM »
Great post Jansus and one I fully agree with.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #142 on: September 04, 2014, 06:23:PM »
There is an obvious problem with those walls. It is claimed that Sheila could sleep through the shootings inside the house because they are so thick, but the police would easily have heard a shot outside.

As always you ignore ALL the relevant facts.  How many times does this issue have to be addressed and you humilated before you stop lying and start being honest?

1) there are windows in the house and the window in the master bedroom was OPEN!
 

2) you and others are claiming the gun was fired in the master bedroom without the moderator attached

3) some people do not wake up from loud noises so don't wake up from thunder, don't wake up from gunfire in the room next to them or other similar things.  There are documented cases where people remained asleep all night when someone was killed in a room next to theirs.  Sheila's room was not bordering her patrent's room though there was even more distance between her room and theirs than the room the children were in.  The children did not wake up though so why would Sheila have to wake up? 

So let's recap:

So called guilters say that police outside the house would hear gunshots fired inside the house by a gun lacking a moderator because there was no background noise to mask the shots and the sound would travel through the windows especially out the open bedroom windows. However, people inside the house asleep could have slept through the shots especially since the gun had the mdoerator attached and thus the sound of the shots would have been like a toy cap gun.  MOREOVER, those defending Jeremy keep insisting the walls were extremely thick.  There were no windows inside the house just doors which were closed and rooms not even next to eachother.  The children did not wake up so why would Sheila have to wake up?

Those on the other side irrationally and hypocritically argue that Sheila would have to have woken up from the shots even though the boys did not.  She would have to have woken up despite the moderator and how thick they claim the walls are.  On the flip side they argue police who were wide awake and intently observing the house for any noise or sign of movement would not have heard shots fired without the moderator attached even though the sound would treavel through the windows because they pretend there wer eno windows only thick soundproof walls.

Waa I am rude because I won't let you get away with your ridiculous rubbish and call you out and keep proving your wrong.  Waaa I am mean to you because you are a girl.  No it is not because you are a girl it is because you write stupid things and are like a broken record attacking others for no reason other than you can't stand being worng and don't want to face relaity so dishonestly suggest we ar ehypocrites making arguments that are conflicting when it is you doing so.  it is called projection is is a defense mechanism.  A defense mechanis kicks in when you don't want to face reality and admit your flaws.  Your logic is as flawed as the fals efacts you keep spouting.

Now cry some more how you are being maligned to divert attention from your bogus claims...
   
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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #143 on: September 04, 2014, 06:24:PM »
As always you ignore ALL the relevant facts.  How many times does this issue have to be addressed and you humilated before you stop lying and start being honest?

1) there are windows in the house and the window in the master bedroom was OPEN!
 

2) you and others are claiming the gun was fired in the master bedroom without the moderator attached

3) some people do not wake up from loud noises so don't wake up from thunder, don't wake up from gunfire in the room next to them or other similar things.  There are documented cases where people remained asleep all night when someone was killed in a room next to theirs.  Sheila's room was not bordering her patrent's room though there was even more distance between her room and theirs than the room the children were in.  The children did not wake up though so why would Sheila have to wake up? 

So let's recap:

So called guilters say that police outside the house would hear gunshots fired inside the house by a gun lacking a moderator because there was no background noise to mask the shots and the sound would travel through the windows especially out the open bedroom windows. However, people inside the house asleep could have slept through the shots especially since the gun had the mdoerator attached and thus the sound of the shots would have been like a toy cap gun.  MOREOVER, those defending Jeremy keep insisting the walls were extremely thick.  There were no windows inside the house just doors which were closed and rooms not even next to eachother.  The children did not wake up so why would Sheila have to wake up?

Those on the other side irrationally and hypocritically argue that Sheila would have to have woken up from the shots even though the boys did not.  She would have to have woken up despite the moderator and how thick they claim the walls are.  On the flip side they argue police who were wide awake and intently observing the house for any noise or sign of movement would not have heard shots fired without the moderator attached even though the sound would treavel through the windows because they pretend there wer eno windows only thick soundproof walls.



Waa I am rude because I won't let you get away with your ridiculous rubbish and call you out and keep proving your wrong.  Waaa I am mean to you because you are a girl.  No it is not because you are a girl it is because you write stupid things and are like a broken record attacking others for no reason other than you can't stand being worng and don't want to face relaity so dishonestly suggest we ar ehypocrites making arguments that are conflicting when it is you doing so.  it is called projection is is a defense mechanism.  A defense mechanis kicks in when you don't want to face reality and admit your flaws.  Your logic is as flawed as the fals efacts you keep spouting.

Now cry some more how you are being maligned to divert attention from your bogus claims...
 

Hard to disagree/refute anything you've just said there, Scipio.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #144 on: September 04, 2014, 06:36:PM »
Scipio you are one of the rudest most disgusting posters I have come across . You just can not post without personal attacks - which to me shows perhaps you are not so confident about your arguments as you make out.

If you so impatient with us not bending to your opinions - then I am going to be rude to you - just sod off.

We have managed to agree to disagree with each other for some time before you came in and poked your oar in. We had posters from both sides of the camps for the majority of time having discussions - not sanctimonious lectures.

It takes a lot for me to lose my rag but I am just sick to death with your personal attacks.


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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #145 on: September 04, 2014, 06:40:PM »
As always you ignore ALL the relevant facts.  How many times does this issue have to be addressed and you humilated before you stop lying and start being honest?

1) there are windows in the house and the window in the master bedroom was OPEN!
 

2) you and others are claiming the gun was fired in the master bedroom without the moderator attached

3) some people do not wake up from loud noises so don't wake up from thunder, don't wake up from gunfire in the room next to them or other similar things.  There are documented cases where people remained asleep all night when someone was killed in a room next to theirs.  Sheila's room was not bordering her patrent's room though there was even more distance between her room and theirs than the room the children were in.  The children did not wake up though so why would Sheila have to wake up? 

So let's recap:

So called guilters say that police outside the house would hear gunshots fired inside the house by a gun lacking a moderator because there was no background noise to mask the shots and the sound would travel through the windows especially out the open bedroom windows. However, people inside the house asleep could have slept through the shots especially since the gun had the mdoerator attached and thus the sound of the shots would have been like a toy cap gun.  MOREOVER, those defending Jeremy keep insisting the walls were extremely thick.  There were no windows inside the house just doors which were closed and rooms not even next to eachother.  The children did not wake up so why would Sheila have to wake up?

Those on the other side irrationally and hypocritically argue that Sheila would have to have woken up from the shots even though the boys did not.  She would have to have woken up despite the moderator and how thick they claim the walls are.  On the flip side they argue police who were wide awake and intently observing the house for any noise or sign of movement would not have heard shots fired without the moderator attached even though the sound would treavel through the windows because they pretend there wer eno windows only thick soundproof walls.

Waa I am rude because I won't let you get away with your ridiculous rubbish and call you out and keep proving your wrong.  Waaa I am mean to you because you are a girl.  No it is not because you are a girl it is because you write stupid things and are like a broken record attacking others for no reason other than you can't stand being worng and don't want to face relaity so dishonestly suggest we ar ehypocrites making arguments that are conflicting when it is you doing so.  it is called projection is is a defense mechanism.  A defense mechanis kicks in when you don't want to face reality and admit your flaws.  Your logic is as flawed as the fals efacts you keep spouting.

Now cry some more how you are being maligned to divert attention from your bogus claims...
 


Well now, how's this for a conundrum? Despite believing Jeremy to be guilty, I think you're unnecessarily rude. You come across, at times, as being boorish and ignorant. Alias' logic, in your opinion, MAY be flawed. SHOULD she choose, she might decide to change it, unlike your manners which seem to be irreparably and permanently flawed.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #146 on: September 04, 2014, 06:41:PM »
Thanks for saving me from telling him to eff off,Jansus. Obnoxious individual.Lawyer my arse.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #147 on: September 04, 2014, 06:44:PM »
Scipio you are one of the rudest most disgusting posters I have come across . You just can not post without personal attacks - which to me shows perhaps you are not so confident about your arguments as you make out.

If you so impatient with us not bending to your opinions - then I am going to be rude to you - just sod off.

We have managed to agree to disagree with each other for some time before you came in and poked your oar in. We had posters from both sides of the camps for the majority of time having discussions - not sanctimonious lectures.

It takes a lot for me to lose my rag but I am just sick to death with your personal attacks.

 i find personl attacks are normaly a sighn of total desperation.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #148 on: September 04, 2014, 06:53:PM »
It's a sign of failure somewhere along the line. He craves power,and will make sure he overrides all of us to attain it.  It's what he thinks anyway. ::) I've met his sort before.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:
« Reply #149 on: September 04, 2014, 07:35:PM »
If he was not so rude and personal I might read his posts - but I really can not be bothered anymore.
 He has just crossed the line IMO

And I am entitled to my opinion as much as he is . And to think I was up for him coming back on the forum . ::)

Thick as two short planks if he can not realise its the way he posts - not what the content is.