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Offline Adam

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2014, 09:53:PM »
You have to hand it to Jeremy and his team.

His claim that Neville phoned the police is utter rubbish. But it still made it onto the front cover of a British National newspaper.

Passing a lie detector test is totally worthless. But still got a lot of publicity at the time.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2014, 09:55:PM »
If that's what he did - then yes.

His WS says he did it.

So that would mean Sheila would have load before firing her first 11 bullets. Neville must have been watching television.
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2014, 09:59:PM »
Hi Susan, quite right both sensible posters as well as Maggie, April, and Alias even though we sometimes don't agree they talk sense?
Thank you justice, I appreciate that.  :) :)

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2014, 10:39:PM »
Surprisingly small - I thought they had much more land!

They did/do but the rest is near Tolleshunt Major, down the road a bit. I just didn't realise the area around WHF was so small (relatively).

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2014, 10:42:PM »
Exactly - it didn't happen. Yesterday I said I couldn't be 100% certain that it didn't happen, today I can!

Couldn't?  ???
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2014, 11:08:PM »
Couldn't?  ???

Yeah, I have keyboard problems!!  ;D Typed something this morning and COULDN'T even read it back. Bloody laptop!!
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2014, 11:09:PM »
They did/do but the rest is near Tolleshunt Major, down the road a bit. I just didn't realise the area around WHF was so small (relatively).

Closer or further away from Goldhanger?
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #82 on: August 27, 2014, 11:17:PM »
Closer or further away from Goldhanger?


Nah a bit further away, toward Gt Totham.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #83 on: August 27, 2014, 11:18:PM »
Yeah, I have keyboard problems!!  ;D Typed something this morning and COULDN'T even read it back. Bloody laptop!!

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #84 on: August 27, 2014, 11:29:PM »
His WS says he did it.

So that would mean Sheila would have load before firing her first 11 bullets. Neville must have been watching television.

There was only 10 bullets in the first load. The murderer simply inserted the full magazine to load the rifle.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2014, 04:51:AM »
According to scipio_usmc, it would have taken a couple of minutes or more [for Jeremy] to explain his story to Pc West in full and to give West time to write it all down. According to Caroline, Bonnett recorded a time of 03:26, West obviously called Bonnet 'after' Jeremy had called and so Jeremy HAD to call at least four or five minutes before that.

Why these somewhat different guesses as to how long it took for Jeremy to give West the details he logged? Pc West was asked about this and said twice that it took less than a minute. Moreover, if one creates a plausible re-enactment of the call, it is consistent with what Pc West claimed. Even if Pc West incorrectly estimated the time, giving only half of the actual value, that would still mean that the correct value was under two minutes. Pc West was confident he spoke to Bonnett for less than three minutes. This is consistent with police statements that say they were told to go to WHF at about 03:30, though there isn't any explanation offered as to why they finally departed at 03:35, five minutes after being told to go.

However, Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett contradict each other regarding who despatched car CA07. Pc West stated he called Bonnett not to ask him to send a car, but to find out which police station covered WHF. Pc West also states he spoke to Witham by radio after being told by Bonnett that WHF was covered by Witham police station. This indicates that Pc West caused car CA07 to be sent to WHF. However, Malcolm Bonnett said in his statement "On completion of the conversation with Pc 1990 I called a Mobile Police car identified by the Call sign Charlie Alpha 7 and sent that vehicle directly to the scene of the alleged incident at White House Farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy." What's interesting is that this account is not supported by what the officers who were despatched put in their statements. They said they had just returned to base and were no longer in car CA07 when told to go to WHF. Moreover, it took them about five minutes to return to their vehicle and use their radio to say they had departed. Also, Bonnett seems to have no recollection of being asked by Pc West which police station covered WHF. Clearly, Pc West and Malcolm Bonnett cannot both have been giving the truth.

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2014, 05:19:AM »
Jeremy didn't lie about the time he made the call to Julie, it was the police who had moved the time of his call from 3,36am, to 3.26am - for example, if Jeremys call to Julie took place at around 3.30am, this would have been around 6 minutes before the call to police timed at 3.36am, or about 4 minutes after the other timed call to police at 3.26am...

Jeremy was only trying to answer questions being put to him by police during interview, the police were clearly trying to confuse Jeremy at the time...

Considering that Jeremys call to Bonnet only lasted 30 seconds or so, before Bonnet contacted West, it beggars belief that the version of PC Wests account (3.26am), differs from Bonnets account (3.36am), involving the contradictions in the content of both, relating to the terms, "sister", and "daughter", etc...
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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2014, 05:27:AM »
I do not believe that Bonnet called PC West and relayed the details of Jeremys call to him at 3.26am, it makes more sense for PC West to have called Bonnett after Ralphs call to West timed at 3.26am, and then for Bonnet to relay the contents of Jeremys call to PC West at 3.36am - this explanation clears up the inconsistencies recorded in both phone logs, involving the terms, "daughter" (3.26am), and "sister" (3.36am). It also helps to clarify the circumstances in which the occupants of CA07 were dispatched to the incident 3.35am) before Jeremy called the police himself at 3.36am...

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #88 on: August 28, 2014, 07:25:AM »
Did Malcolm Bonnett give evidence in person at Jeremy's trial?

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Re: Surely The Timings Are Incorrect?
« Reply #89 on: August 28, 2014, 08:48:AM »
Jeremy didn't lie about the time he made the call to Julie, it was the police who had moved the time of his call from 3,36am, to 3.26am - for example, if Jeremys call to Julie took place at around 3.30am, this would have been around 6 minutes before the call to police timed at 3.36am, or about 4 minutes after the other timed call to police at 3.26am...

Jeremy was only trying to answer questions being put to him by police during interview, the police were clearly trying to confuse Jeremy at the time...

Considering that Jeremys call to Bonnet only lasted 30 seconds or so, before Bonnet contacted West, it beggars belief that the version of PC Wests account (3.26am), differs from Bonnets account (3.36am), involving the contradictions in the content of both, relating to the terms, "sister", and "daughter", etc...


Thank you for posting that Mike its very important to clarify
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