Why Would Essex Police Not Mention The Fact That Neville Called The Police?

[nugnug]

well what other reson for a policeman to get on a bike ride bettween the 2 locations and time it.

[lookout]

 Also known as playing for time.
 Did any of them carry out that task in the dead of night,along the sea-wall on a heavy sit-up-and-beg bike with not a light in sight ?

[nugnug]

well if the phonecall dident happen it wouldn't matter how long jeremy took to get there because he had planty of time.

so there would be no need for the police to try and work out how long he took to get there.

[Reader]

The guilters rarely consider Jeremy's likely state of mind on 7th August if he's innocent.

They usually assert or imply that Jeremy, if innocent, must have been woken by Nevill at about 3:10am. If Jeremy is innocent, that doesn't make sense, as we know very little about why Jeremy said 3:10am and so it shouldn't be assumed that time is accurate.

In Jeremy's statement of 7th August, he says Nevill called him at about 3:10am, but doesn't state how that call ended, then he says he immediately tried to call Nevill back, but got the engaged tone, and then he says he immediately phoned Chelmsford Police to inform them of what had happened. If Jeremy was guilty, that makes no sense, as it would be easy for EP to prove that his summary was quite inaccurate. Also, it forms a poor alibi. If Jeremy was innocent, the timing still can't be right, but an explanation is available - Jeremy didn't know at what time Nevill called and estimated it incorrectly, then he oversimplified what happened after that, and twice used the word "immediately" inaccurately. That's understandable, given his likely state of mind at the time, and that he was close to concluding his statement. He gave very little detail about his conversation with Pc West in the statement, and no indication of its duration.

On the basis of the above, it's clearly unreasonable to say that Jeremy was stating he phoned Julie after phoning the police. Jeremy continued his statement by saying he then went to WHF, where he met the police and went with them to the farm house and heard a dog whining, and then on police advice everyone backed away from the house. This was again a highly simplified account, omitting many details (which is odd if Jeremy was guilty). At this point, Jeremy states "I phoned my girlfriend up from my house at 3:25 a.m. to tell her something appeared wrong and I again phoned her at 5:45 a.m. from a telephone kiosk to inform her what was happening and not to go to work as it was evident at this stage that something was wrong." That's how his statement ended.

What seems to have happened is this: after some conversation with the police, Jeremy gave several pages of information about various earlier events and circumstances because the police didn't already have that information. Then he gave a highly simplified and shortened account of what happened from the time when Nevill called him, possibly because there seemed to be no need to go into lots of detail about things that the police were largely aware of anyway.

Note that for some reason EP haven't released the original handwritten version of Jeremy's statements, so we don't know whether the typed versions are accurate. Jeremy intimated that he thought they weren't in a letter he sent to mike tesko. We know that Ds Jones later claimed that Jeremy had said verbally that he'd called Julie after calling the police, but we can't check that conversation.

[nugnug]

im guessing if they havent relased the handwrittan statements then typed ones must be inacrate.

[Adam]

The guilters rarely consider Jeremy's likely state of mind on 7th August if he's innocent.

They usually assert or imply that Jeremy, if innocent, must have been woken by Nevill at about 3:10am. If Jeremy is innocent, that doesn't make sense, as we know very little about why Jeremy said 3:10am and so it shouldn't be assumed that time is accurate.

In Jeremy's statement of 7th August, he says Nevill called him at about 3:10am, but doesn't state how that call ended, then he says he immediately tried to call Nevill back, but got the engaged tone, and then he says he immediately phoned Chelmsford Police to inform them of what had happened. If Jeremy was guilty, that makes no sense, as it would be easy for EP to prove that his summary was quite inaccurate. Also, it forms a poor alibi. If Jeremy was innocent, the timing still can't be right, but an explanation is available - Jeremy didn't know at what time Nevill called and estimated it incorrectly, then he oversimplified what happened after that, and twice used the word "immediately" inaccurately. That's understandable, given his likely state of mind at the time, and that he was close to concluding his statement. He gave very little detail about his conversation with Pc West in the statement, and no indication of its duration.

On the basis of the above, it's clearly unreasonable to say that Jeremy was stating he phoned Julie after phoning the police. Jeremy continued his statement by saying he then went to WHF, where he met the police and went with them to the farm house and heard a dog whining, and then on police advice everyone backed away from the house. This was again a highly simplified account, omitting many details (which is odd if Jeremy was guilty). At this point, Jeremy states "I phoned my girlfriend up from my house at 3:25 a.m. to tell her something appeared wrong and I again phoned her at 5:45 a.m. from a telephone kiosk to inform her what was happening and not to go to work as it was evident at this stage that something was wrong." That's how his statement ended.

What seems to have happened is this: after some conversation with the police, Jeremy gave several pages of information about various earlier events and circumstances because the police didn't already have that information. Then he gave a highly simplified and shortened account of what happened from the time when Nevill called him, possibly because there seemed to be no need to go into lots of detail about things that the police were largely aware of anyway.

Note that for some reason EP haven't released the original handwritten version of Jeremy's statements, so we don't know whether the typed versions are accurate. Jeremy intimated that he thought they weren't in a letter he sent to mike tesko. We know that Ds Jones later claimed that Jeremy had said verbally that he'd called Julie after calling the police, but we can't check that conversation.

Jeremy's WS said he got Neville's call at 3.10am. He then said he immediately phoned the police. Although the police call was 16 minutes later.

The WS was drawn up months later. Jeremy would not be in shock.

There is a thread on those 16 minutes. And his WS.

[nugnug]

The guilters rarely consider Jeremy's likely state of mind on 7th August if he's innocent.

They usually assert or imply that Jeremy, if innocent, must have been woken by Nevill at about 3:10am. If Jeremy is innocent, that doesn't make sense, as we know very little about why Jeremy said 3:10am and so it shouldn't be assumed that time is accurate.

In Jeremy's statement of 7th August, he says Nevill called him at about 3:10am, but doesn't state how that call ended, then he says he immediately tried to call Nevill back, but got the engaged tone, and then he says he immediately phoned Chelmsford Police to inform them of what had happened. If Jeremy was guilty, that makes no sense, as it would be easy for EP to prove that his summary was quite inaccurate. Also, it forms a poor alibi. If Jeremy was innocent, the timing still can't be right, but an explanation is available - Jeremy didn't know at what time Nevill called and estimated it incorrectly, then he oversimplified what happened after that, and twice used the word "immediately" inaccurately. That's understandable, given his likely state of mind at the time, and that he was close to concluding his statement. He gave very little detail about his conversation with Pc West in the statement, and no indication of its duration.

On the basis of the above, it's clearly unreasonable to say that Jeremy was stating he phoned Julie after phoning the police. Jeremy continued his statement by saying he then went to WHF, where he met the police and went with them to the farm house and heard a dog whining, and then on police advice everyone backed away from the house. This was again a highly simplified account, omitting many details (which is odd if Jeremy was guilty). At this point, Jeremy states "I phoned my girlfriend up from my house at 3:25 a.m. to tell her something appeared wrong and I again phoned her at 5:45 a.m. from a telephone kiosk to inform her what was happening and not to go to work as it was evident at this stage that something was wrong." That's how his statement ended.

What seems to have happened is this: after some conversation with the police, Jeremy gave several pages of information about various earlier events and circumstances because the police didn't already have that information. Then he gave a highly simplified and shortened account of what happened from the time when Nevill called him, possibly because there seemed to be no need to go into lots of detail about things that the police were largely aware of anyway.

Note that for some reason EP haven't released the original handwritten version of Jeremy's statements, so we don't know whether the typed versions are accurate. Jeremy intimated that he thought they weren't in a letter he sent to mike tesko. We know that Ds Jones later claimed that Jeremy had said verbally that he'd called Julie after calling the police, but we can't check that conversation.

how much atention was he actully paying to what the time was.

[Adam]

how much atention was he actully paying to what the time was.

Probably a lot.

When the downstairs phone eventually wakes him up from 'sleeping like a log'. Which could take minutes. Unless he had his bedroom door shut, in which case he would not hear it at all.  Hang on wouldn't the answering machine kick in after about 6 rings. But lets not go there.

Anyway. When eventually waking, he would check the time. Then swear because he has been woken at 3.10am. Knowing Jeremy he would try to ignore the ringing phone, until reluctantly going downstairs, in a bad mood at being woken at 3.10am.

It is not often a phone wakes people at this time. So I do not believe he would forget. Especially as it was an unforgettable phone call.

[susan]

Adam I agree with you Jeremy would not have forgotten the exact time of his Father's phone had it happened.

[nugnug]

Probably a lot.

When the downstairs phone eventually wakes him up from 'sleeping like a log'. Which could take minutes. Unless he had his bedroom door shut, in which case he would not hear it at all.  Hang on wouldn't the answering machine kick in after about 6 rings. But lets not go there.

Anyway. When eventually waking, he would check the time. Then swear because he has been woken at 3.10am. Knowing Jeremy he would try to ignore the ringing phone, until reluctantly going downstairs, in a bad mood at being woken at 3.10am.

It is not often a phone wakes people at this time. So I do not believe he would forget. Especially as it was an unforgettable phone call.

even if he was given a very shocking message.

[Caroline]

even if he was given a very shocking message.

If it was THAT shocking, why didn't he call 999 instead of calling Julie and then looking for a local cop shop number and then another when the first gave no reply?

[Reader]

It wasn't THAT shocking. Also Julie and most of her flatmates were woken by Jeremy's call and didn't later know the exact time of it.

Jeremy's WS said he got Neville's call at 3.10am. He then said he immediately phoned the police. Although the police call was 16 minutes later.

Jeremy's first statement was made on 7th August, when Jeremy would have been in shock and very upset, so the presence of some mistakes is understandable.

It is not often a phone wakes people at this time. So I do not believe he would forget. Especially as it was an unforgettable phone call.

There is no evidence that Jeremy's telephone was in a place where a clock was visible. His answering machine would not have had its own clock. Hence it's quite possible that Jeremy didn't know when he answered the telephone what the time was, and so had to estimate the times he gave in his statement.

[lookout]

It wasn't THAT shocking. Also Julie and most of her flatmates were woken by Jeremy's call and didn't later know the exact time of it.
Jeremy's first statement was made on 7th August, when Jeremy would have been in shock and very upset, so the presence of some mistakes is understandable.
There is no evidence that Jeremy's telephone was in a place where a clock was visible. His answering machine would not have had its own clock. Hence it's quite possible that Jeremy didn't know when he answered the telephone what the time was, and so had to estimate the times he gave in his statement.

It would have been far more suspicious if Jeremy had remembered everything word for word.

[scipio_usmc]

If it was THAT shocking, why didn't he call 999 instead of calling Julie and then looking for a local cop shop number and then another when the first gave no reply?

Somewhere on here is a portion of his trial testmony.  In it he said that at first he didn't think there was any urgency in his father's message.  He said only afte rhe thought about it a while did he become concerned.  So he seemd to be admitting he didn't call police right away but also had no reason to call Julie at that point.  That is why lawyers tell their clients not to testify, they often end up saying things that make matters even worse.  If you were a juror what would you think about that?   

[Caroline]

Somewhere on here is a portion of his trial testmony.  In it he said that at first he didn't think there was any urgency in his father's message.  He said only afte rhe thought about it a while did he become concerned.  So he seemd to be admitting he didn't call police right away but also had no reason to call Julie at that point.  That is why lawyers tell their clients not to testify, they often end up saying things that make matters even worse.  If you were a juror what would you think about that?

I think most of the jurors would think it incredible that anyone hearing the words 'crazy' and 'gun' at 03:10am wouldn't be worried and at the very least call 999 - beginning with the words "This may be nothing but ......" No one calls at that time if it isn't urgent - that being the case, Neville would have called the police using 999 and not Jeremy.