Why Would Essex Police Not Mention The Fact That Neville Called The Police?

[guest154]

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[lookout]

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[ngb1066]

Hey,listen,give me some credit.I'm out on a limb here.

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[Jan]

In Jeremys first statement he did say "about" 3.10 And so after that for any accuracy (because he may not have looked at his watch or a clock ) then we would really be relying on the police for the accuracy because they are the professionals and they are the ones with clocks - for a reason  ::)So that gives him the time to try and call his father back and keep getting the engaged tone - then look up the number then call then wait and get annoyed because it was probably sinking in that it may be more serious than he first thought

So if they are saying 3.26  and then by the time they took information etc and contacted to arrange for the cars to go out . Then that all ties up with him ringing Julie after he called the police ( as he said originally ) and ties up with her original statement of getting the call about 3.30

So taking the alleged call from his father out of the scenario WHY were the police so keen to then twist the times that Julie received the call ? And why did they tell him they could prove he did not call Julie at 3.30?Why did they do an investigation about the timings in Sept ? If it was a simple mistake - which it looks like it was - I don't get why it was so important .

But I am sure Mat or someone else will tell me I am being thick.

[Caroline]

In Jeremys first statement he did say "about" 3.10 And so after that for any accuracy (because he may not have looked at his watch or a clock ) then we would really be relying on the police for the accuracy because they are the professionals and they are the ones with clocks - for a reason  ::)So that gives him the time to try and call his father back and keep getting the engaged tone - then look up the number then call then wait and get annoyed because it was probably sinking in that it may be more serious than he first thought

So if they are saying 3.26  and then by the time they took information etc and contacted to arrange for the cars to go out . Then that all ties up with him ringing Julie after he called the police ( as he said originally ) and ties up with her original statement of getting the call about 3.30

So taking the alleged call from his father out of the scenario WHY were the police so keen to then twist the times that Julie received the call ? And why did they tell him they could prove he did not call Julie at 3.30?Why did they do an investigation about the timings in Sept ? If it was a simple mistake - which it looks like it was - I don't get why it was so important .

But I am sure Mat or someone else will tell me I am being thick.

He couldn't have been on the phone to Julie at 03:30 because he was still talking to police at that time.

[lookout]

You are doing your best Lookout and it can be lonely at times!

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[Jan]

He couldn't have been on the phone to Julie at 03:30 because he was still talking to police at that time.

Ok so say that sequence was correct they dispatched the car at 3.35 - so just after that then ? So if he had not looked at a clock and he was estimating it could have been about 3.36 ish - quick call get dressed , leave ?

So all that he did could have happened between 3.10 to 3.15  and about 3.35 to 3.40 ?

[Jan]

Thinking about it - I think it would be because they wanted to prove he called Julie before the police because it would in their eyes incriminate him .

Hence all the changes in timings and getting the flatmates involved .

they could not prove the sequence - but that's what they believed happened and that's what they wanted to prove.

[lookout]

In Jeremys first statement he did say "about" 3.10 And so after that for any accuracy (because he may not have looked at his watch or a clock ) then we would really be relying on the police for the accuracy because they are the professionals and they are the ones with clocks - for a reason  ::)So that gives him the time to try and call his father back and keep getting the engaged tone - then look up the number then call then wait and get annoyed because it was probably sinking in that it may be more serious than he first thought

So if they are saying 3.26  and then by the time they took information etc and contacted to arrange for the cars to go out . Then that all ties up with him ringing Julie after he called the police ( as he said originally ) and ties up with her original statement of getting the call about 3.30

So taking the alleged call from his father out of the scenario WHY were the police so keen to then twist the times that Julie received the call ? And why did they tell him they could prove he did not call Julie at 3.30?Why did they do an investigation about the timings in Sept ? If it was a simple mistake - which it looks like it was - I don't get why it was so important .

But I am sure Mat or someone else will tell me I am being thick.

That's right. It was 03.10 when Jeremy was wakened by his phone ringing,at which time he'd alleged that it was his father telling him that Sheila had gone crazy with " the gun ".
At 03.20,Jeremy rang Chelmsford police station and spoke to PC West about his fathers' call.
At 03.26 Malcolm Bonnett had a radio communication from PC West to request a car to WHF.

It was after 03.30 that Jeremy rang JM.
Then appx 03.35/03.40 Jeremy drove from his home in Goldhanger to WHF .

Neville could well have rang the police also,but------------------was there really any need when Jeremy had already done so ? He didn't HAVE to do,did he ?? It's no big deal if the man wasn't able to,but it sure as Hell doesn't put Jeremy in the spotlight if the call didn't happen.
What earthly difference does it make whether Neville rang or not ? He had already relayed the situation to Jeremy,and because I believe him it wouldn't make the slightest difference either way.

Who was it who put the argument forward that Neville phoned the police,anyway ?

[lookout]

Is it the be-all and end-all if Neville didn't ring the police ? No,of course it isn't.

[scipio_usmc]

That's right. It was 03.10 when Jeremy was wakened by his phone ringing,at which time he'd alleged that it was his father telling him that Sheila had gone crazy with " the gun ".
At 03.20,Jeremy rang Chelmsford police station and spoke to PC West about his fathers' call.
At 03.26 Malcolm Bonnett had a radio communication from PC West to request a car to WHF.

It was after 03.30 that Jeremy rang JM.
Then appx 03.35/03.40 Jeremy drove from his home in Goldhanger to WHF .

Neville could well have rang the police also,but------------------was there really any need when Jeremy had already done so ? He didn't HAVE to do,did he ?? It's no big deal if the man wasn't able to,but it sure as Hell doesn't put Jeremy in the spotlight if the call didn't happen.
What earthly difference does it make whether Neville rang or not ? He had already relayed the situation to Jeremy,and because I believe him it wouldn't make the slightest difference either way.

Who was it who put the argument forward that Neville phoned the police,anyway ?

1)Julie and her roomate say Jeremy's call did not come after 3:30AM so the claim it did conflicts with all 4 of their claims.  That suggests the call was before Jeremy phoned police. 

2) Assuming it took Jeremy 4 minutes to state his case before West phoned Bonnett that brings us to 3:22 as the earliest that Jeremy phoned police.  There is disagreement over how long that took though with West suggesitng only 1 minute before he phoned Bonnett.   

3) If you are asking who was the first to come up with the story that Nevill called police I don't think that question will ever be answered.  It is not necessary to know in order to test the claim and see that it has no basis in fact though.

[lookout]

THE Phone-call----------another grey area which is OPEN to interpretation. As is the case of a few other areas whether you feel Jeremy is the killer or not. It could be anyone in the very same situation as himself. Surely justice is what's most important for those who don't like Jeremy.

[scipio_usmc]

THE Phone-call----------another grey area which is OPEN to interpretation. As is the case of a few other areas whether you feel Jeremy is the killer or not. It could be anyone in the very same situation as himself. Surely justice is what's most important for those who don't like Jeremy.

Which phone call are you referring to? Given the various documented calls between various people and several undocumented calls merely alleged to have taken place it is important to specify.

[lookout]

The one Neville made to the police. What's the big deal if he didn't make that call ?

[nugnug]

well none really if they could prove such a call was made it would be almost certan proof of innocence but as i see it they cant prove it.

but the fact but the fact it dident happen doesn't prove guilt.

i think weather neviles call to jeremy happpend is the real clincer of guilt or innocence.