I'm not desperate.
They don't and I didn't say they did. They suggest both Nevill and Jeremy telephoned Pc West.
1) My point was that SOME Jeremy supporters insist Bonnett's log proves Nevill made a call to Bonnett while some other Jeremy Jeremy supporters insist West's log and/or Bonnett's log suggest Nevill called
West. The only common allegations made by such supperters are that the logs were doctored to conceal that Nevill made a call to police.
So that means Jeremy supporters looking at these documents insist they were doctored (based on no evidence) but disagree over what they suggest.
How can one claim the logs are clearcut evidence of anything when the logs have to be altered in order for them to suggest Nevill made a call and Jeremy supporters who believe such can't even agree over whether if altered they would establish a call from Nevill to West or Bonnett?
In the meantime there are plenty of Jeremy supporters who don't believe the logs were altered and don't suggest there was a call from Nevill to West or Bonnett. That makes the claim it is cear cut evidence even more laughable.
2) How do the logs suggest that Jeremy and Nevill both phoned West? While the claim Nevill phoned police is totally unsuported and incredulous, the claim Nevill called West is even more implausible than the claim he phoned Bonnett. You support the more ridiculous allegation.
Why would Nevill have bothered to phone Jeremy asking him to come help disarm his siter if Nevill planned to call police 2 seconds after he hung up the phone with Jeremy? Why would he look up the phone number to Witham instead of calling 999? How would he be able to look up the number to Witham and dial in 2 seconds so that Jeremy would get a busy signal? If West had spoken to Nevill before Jeremy he would have told such to jeremy when Jeremy called. The same way police always tell someone if they already received a report about the same thing previously and are already responding.
So as far as the 2 different lines of allegations go you support the one even more absurd that doesn't fit Jeremy's story about the phone immediately being busy and there is no documentary support for at all.
Pc West testified he made two calls to the police (the second to Witham), lasting only about 3 minutes in total, which was insufficient for them to be working together in conjunction in the way you described.
He also was heavily criticized afterwards as being totally unprepared to testify and not having refreshed his memory with respect to the case and was testifying a year afterwards so havd plenty of calls in the meantime to handle and had no reaosn to rememebr precisely how long he spoke to Jeremy before putting him on hold or after. Nor how long he spoke with the various police/dispatchers he coordinated his efforts with. His estimation of the time it took for Jeremy to convey to him eveyrhting conveyed and then o convey such to others and coordinate a response is not credible. Nor is it credible that he only asked Bonnett which cars were in the area. Clearly he told Bonnett eveyrthing because Bonnett says he did and wrote such down. If he didn't tell Bonneet all the details then how oculd Bonnett have recorded them? So right off the bat we know West messed up and there was more coordination going on than he recalled. Therefore his estimation of how much time that coordination took is of little use when he could not even remember all the coordination taking place. Jeremy says he waited on hold longer than West said and in this one instance his claims are more credible because the facts and evidence support more time being spent than West suggested.
Nothing in Bonnett's log indicates Nevill called him directly. Bonnett logged that he received his information from Pc 1990, i.e., Pc West.
Nor does it suggest a call from Nevill to West. Your allegation is that West told Bonnett about a call received from Nevill and that subsequently Bonnett altered it to pretend that the information came from Jeremy. The allegation makes no sense though and is unsupprted by anything. It is just a bare bones allegation based on deseprately wanting to believe that Nevill made a call because that would prove Jeremy innocent. So people who desperately want to believe Jeremy is innocent come up with this allegation out of thin air to try to support the view they hold. Jeremy supporters have no evidence of his innocence so have to manufacture it that is the bottom line.
Not all of them manufacture evidence though some admit they have no evidence and just live on blind faith.
We don't know he needed to look up the number. It's easy to say in hindsight that he should have dialled 999. Presumably, he didn't at the time think there was a major emergency.
Not necessarily. Pc West just got on with handling Jeremy's call. Telling Jeremy that Nevill had already called wouldn't have helped Jeremy.
Of course. Pc West probably contacted Bonnett on both occasions.
No, because Jeremy was asked to go straight to WHF so that he could talk directly to the police there. Also, Jeremy had probably said his father wanted him to go to WHF.
Again, no, because the situation was potentially serious, with no certainty that Nevill could meet them.
1) Why would Nevill know Witham police station's number? I called my local police yesterday to report a bear and still don't know the number offhand.
2) Why would Nevill call Jeremy at all to ask him to come help if he planned to call police let alone would he call Jeremy before the police? If anythign he would call Jeremy after.
3) If Nevill had called already and told West everything then West would have EVERY reason to tell Jeremy he already received the call directly from Nevill so would not need to hear what Nevill told Jeremy. If he heard from the horses mouth why would he need to hear it all over again from Jeremy? Furthermore if he already dispatched someone he would tell that to Jeremy. To feed West all the details from Nevill and then again from Jeremy makes no sense. You just note hat Jeremy called as well after Nevill.
My name is Nevill Bamber, my daughter has gone crazy and got a hold of a gun I need help. I called my son to ask him to come help.
After contacting HQ and organizing a response they receive a call from Jeremy telling them about how their father had called. What do they do?
They say yes we already know your father called us we sent a unit on the way. There is no need to place him on hold and try to coordinate a new repsonse or to take into detail what his father claimed to him because they spoke to his father already.
Your position is totally baseless and untenable.
If Nevill had called West and told him all about
