Why Would Essex Police Not Mention The Fact That Neville Called The Police?

[Caroline]

Only Pc West gave details of that. We don't know whether Nevill forgot or whether he simply thought of Sheila as Sheila Bamber, given that she was no longer with Colin.

According to Pc West's log, Jeremy's father had said, "Please come over your sister has gone crazy & has the gun." In contrast, Bonnett's log gives the wording "daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 yrs has got hold of one of my guns" and makes no mention of Jeremy being asked to come over.

Why would it? It wasn't relevant, just the details of the victim would be required. I'm sorry your explanation of why both logs mention Bamber and not Caffell, just doesn't wash. People complain that various aspects of the case can't all be down to mistakes by EP but play the mistake card when things don't fit their own argument.

[Reader]

I didn't say Bonnett made a mistake about Sheila's surname. I suggested Nevill may not have said Caffell in the first place.

[Caroline]

I didn't say Bonnett made a mistake about Sheila's surname. I suggested Nevill may not have said Caffell in the first place.

The logs are what they are, I see no conspiracy. One call from Jeremy, relayed to Bonnet.

[Reader]

In your opinion, how did the occupants of car CA07 get to know that Jeremy Bamber had been asked to meet them at WHF?

[Caroline]

In your opinion, how did the occupants of car CA07 get to know that Jeremy Bamber had been asked to meet them at WHF?

When he turned up I expect.

[scipio_usmc]

Pc West's log mentions both cars (with some details of the occupants of car CA07), but doesn't state which he sent. In his evidence at trial, he doesn't mention CA05, he just says he spoke to Witham and they relayed the information, etc.
Where is Jeremy's telephone number in Bonnett's log?

he sent CA7 while West sent CA5.

West gave Bonnett Nevill's number so they could call there.  Calling Jeremy would do little good.

Here is West admitting he got Nevill's number from Jeremy

[Caroline]

he sent CA7 while West sent CA5.

West gave Bonnett Nevill's number so they could call there.  Calling Jeremy would do little good.

Here is West admitting he got Nevill's number from Jeremy

I've already mentioned that - I fear we're still going in circles though.

[scipio_usmc]

Only Pc West gave details of that. We don't know whether Nevill forgot or whether he simply thought of Sheila as Sheila Bamber, given that she was no longer with Colin.

According to Pc West's log, Jeremy's father had said, "Please come over your sister has gone crazy & has the gun." In contrast, Bonnett's log gives the wording "daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 yrs has got hold of one of my guns" and makes no mention of Jeremy being asked to come over.

Your whole desperate case hinges on the fact that West and Bonnett use different words thouhg meaning the same thing.  Your suggestion that they should precisely mirror one anothe ris silly.  Not even the documents written by West mirror one another.  Bonnett was trying to be completely professional in his wording and tried to mimick what Nevill supposedly told Jeremy while West was just paraphrasing.

Trying to suggest that means Nevill called Bonnett and that bonnett doctored the log later and lied about not receiving a call from Nevill is absurd. Not onyl do you have no evidence your claims make no sense.

Caroline has posed a challenge to you and others making such claim.  It is a simple challenge.  Explain why EP woudl not have made anoyne else aware of a call being received by Nevill during the firs tmonth of the investigation when they though Sheila committed th emurders.  You can't because they would have told Jeremy and the rest of the family and DCI Jones woudl have been shouting it from the rooftops anytime someone suggested Jeremy did it. 

You have no leg to stand on at all. 

[scipio_usmc]

I've already mentioned that - I fear we're still going in circles though.

But he has to see it with his own eyes.  He probably sitll won't face relaity but he has to shut up on that issue at least.

Take note that he didn't mention his nephews in listing who was in the house, that is interesting.

[Caroline]

But he has to see it with his own eyes.  He probably sitll won't face relaity but he has to shut up on that issue at least.

Take note that he didn't mention his nephews in listing who was in the house, that is interesting.

You're right, that is interesting - denial?

[Alias]

Scipio: "Take note that he didn't mention his nephews in listing who was in the house, that is interesting."

Sometimes the most interesting things are in what is not said - this gave me a chill actually; but then, it could be PC West who forgot, or the officer writing it down.
They weren´t exactly accurate - and THAT will be difficult to contradict, given the nature of this thread! 

[Reader]

Trying to suggest that means Nevill called Bonnett and that Bonnett doctored the log later and lied about not receiving a call from Nevill is absurd.

I'm not suggesting that Nevill called Bonnett, but that Nevill, possibly after getting no reply from Witham, telephoned Pc West. As Nevill didn't dial 999, the situation hadn't yet become a full-scale emergency from his point of view.  Pc West was not asked whether Nevill called him before Jeremy did, so he didn't explicitly lie about that. However, I think he probably lied about not being able to recall certain things that Jeremy had said to him. I didn't claim Bonnett 'doctored' his log later; I'm suggesting he later added one sentence relating to Jeremy's call to Pc West. If Bonnett also completed a separate log sheet in respect of Jeremy's call to Pc West, EP have kept quiet about that sheet. It's clear from Mr Rivlin's questioning of Pc West at Jeremy's trial that Mr Rivlin was aware in some detail of what Jeremy told Pc West, but hadn't seen Bonnett's log.

What you (scipio_usmc) also posted was that all of the information obtained by West from Jeremy is also on Bonnett's sheet including the phone number.

Bonnett logged the WHF number, but not Jeremy's number, so not all of what Jeremy had told Pc West was also on Bonnett's sheet.

When he turned up I expect.

In his statement, Pc Myall refers to when Jeremy reached WHF: "At this time we were standing by the Police vehicle awaiting the arrival of Mr Jeremy Bamber who had been asked to meet us at White House Farm." Hence Pc Myall already knew that Jeremy had been asked to meet them. In your opinion, how did Pc Myall get to know in advance of Jeremy's arrival that Jeremy had been asked to meet them at WHF?

[Caroline]

I'm not suggesting that Nevill called Bonnett, but that Nevill, possibly after getting no reply from Witham, telephoned Pc West. As Nevill didn't dial 999, the situation hadn't yet become a full-scale emergency from his point of view.  Pc West was not asked whether Nevill called him before Jeremy did, so he didn't explicitly lie about that. However, I think he probably lied about not being able to recall certain things that Jeremy had said to him. I didn't claim Bonnett 'doctored' his log later; I'm suggesting he later added one sentence relating to Jeremy's call to Pc West. If Bonnett also completed a separate log sheet in respect of Jeremy's call to Pc West, EP have kept quiet about that sheet. It's clear from Mr Rivlin's questioning of Pc West at Jeremy's trial that Mr Rivlin was aware in some detail of what Jeremy told Pc West, but hadn't seen Bonnett's log.

What you (scipio_usmc) also posted was that all of the information obtained by West from Jeremy is also on Bonnett's sheet including the phone number.

Bonnett logged the WHF number, but not Jeremy's number, so not all of what Jeremy had told Pc West was also on Bonnett's sheet.

In his statement, Pc Myall refers to when Jeremy reached WHF: "At this time we were standing by the Police vehicle awaiting the arrival of Mr Jeremy Bamber who had been asked to meet us at White House Farm." Hence Pc Myall already knew that Jeremy had been asked to meet them. In your opinion, how did Pc Myall get to know in advance of Jeremy's arrival that Jeremy had been asked to meet them at WHF?

OK, I'm lost now are you suggesting that both called Witham? Both didn't get an answer, both spoke to PC West? Who spoke to West first IYO? Why would Bonnett need Jeremy's number? He was interested in the site where a crime may be underway and the details of the possible victim.

I have no idea who informed CA7 - I also don't see the relevance given that they were able to communicate via radio with both police and HQ.

[Reader]

There are several police assertions that Jeremy said he tried dialling Witham, but Jeremy doesn't confirm doing so in his statements and it seems he doesn't recall doing so or telling any officer that he did.

I'm suggesting Nevill called Pc West at 03:26 before Jeremy did so at 03:36, and that his log of that call has been withheld. It's possible that Nevill tried to call Witham first (and mentioned that he'd done so to Pc West) and Jeremy didn't.

I am aware that Bonnett didn't need to log Jeremy's telephone number. What scipio_usmc stated was that Bonnett's log includes all the information that Pc West obtained from Jereny, which isn't the case.

Pc West makes no mention of CA07 being told by him that he would ask, or had asked, Jeremy to meet them at WHF.

[lookout]

Wasn't Nevilles' call kept silent in case Jeremy had gone to WHF,himself,and ended up dead ? Would this have been the original reason for 6 body-bags ?
The police thinking that Jeremy would have taken off under his own steam.