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Neville or Jeremy would have called the Folkes's. It is common sense.

You know Leonard & Dorothy Folkes. Don't you ? 

They had been working for the Bambers for 36 years. 

Dorothy testified that Jeremy said 'he didn't get on with his Sheila. And that he 'would not share his money with Sheila'. If anything happened to the family Jeremy would 'sell the whole lot and pack up'. 

Leonard testified that he saw Sheila and the twins the day before the shootings. He said 'she looked happy enough to me'. 

What is also interesting is that is that they both lived in a tied cottage at WHF. Surely the best people for Neville to ring when Sheila went 'crazy'. 

They were already there. They knew Neville & Sheila & there were two of them. They probably had a key and unlike Jeremy,  Neville trusted them, otherwise they would not be working for him. For 36 years. 

Forget about keeping it in the family. Sheila had 'gone crazy & had got the gun'. Anyway, working for a family business for 36 years and you are practically family. 

But Neville made a mysterious call to Jeremy. Who said himself he 'did not get on' with Sheila. 

And why didn't Jeremy call the Folkes's, instead of Julie and a police station miles away ? Jeremy said it did not occur to him. 

Why do people think Neville or Jeremy did not phone two people who were two minutes away ?



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There are supposed to be 4 calls (in total), Neville's call to Jeremy, Jeremy's call to Julie, Jeremy's call to the police and Neville's call to the police. We're only discussing the last two which are documented - one written by West (Jeremy's call) and one documented by Bonnet (which is referred to as 'Neville's call). However, after talking to Jeremy (in which he told West his father had called and said 'Sheila has gone crazy etc.), West relayed what Jeremy had told him to Bonnet, he then filled out the 'Neville log'. It was most likely written as though it had come from Neville because that's the way West relayed it - i.e. Mr Bamber, WHF called to say daughter had gone berserk with a gun ......... etc. etc. followed by message pass from son of Mr Bamber.

Had the Neville log not been presented to the jury, I could see it looking a bit dodgy but this was the log what appeared at trial and it was explained and accepted. There is nothing in the log (info wise) that is different to the Jeremy log. The same information is present on both logs, it's just that West must have explained the details as if coming from Mr Bamber (Neville) and not Jeremy - which is why it states that the message was passed to the Control Desk by Jeremy at the end.
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bt if thats what said nevile said to him then how did it turn into my daughter when jeremys words were that his father had said your sister.

how does your sister turn into my daughter.

Read above - it's just the way West explained it to Bonnet.
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related that way surely it would read his daughter not my daughter.

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Jeremy's supporters are as bad as the psychiatrist said Jeremy is.

Looking for any tiny detail they can turn in their favour.
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related that way surely it would read his daughter not my daughter.

Well, which ever way - Neville certainly didn't write it so it has to be the way it was relayed from West and Bonnet just wrote as if coming from Neville.
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so second hand acoun t from jeremy is translated into a first hand account from Nevile i find that a bit hard to believe.

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I know he wouldn't, that's not what I meant. When Jeremy called the police, West took down what he said (father called, Sheila's got the gun etc.). However, West then relayed the details to Bonnet and must have said a Mr Bamber from WHF called and said his daughter has one of his guns etc. So that's what Bonnet wrote. The Neville call had never been hidden from anyone, the jury saw it and Bonnet explain that he wrote what West told him. I could understand the suspicion if it was the Neville log that the jury didn't see but it wasn't.

They shouldn´t be interpreting and jumping to conclusions while writing such logs!

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They shouldn´t be interpreting and jumping to conclusions while writing such logs!

Maybe not, but it contains the same information as the other log (the Jeremy log) but that's what happens when info is relayed through a chain - what you end up with isn't what you started with. The same is probably true of how the discrepancies occurred in relation to the finding of the bodies (one dead female, one dead male).
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Maybe not, but it contains the same information as the other log (the Jeremy log) but that's what happens when info is relayed through a chain - what you end up with isn't what you started with. The same is probably true of how the discrepancies occurred in relation to the finding of the bodies (one dead female, one dead male).

Funny how no one noticed during the trial - I think it jumps you in the face and makes no sense.

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Funny how no one noticed during the trial - I think it jumps you in the face and makes no sense.

Because bonnet explained that he simply wrote down what West relayed.
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Because bonnet explained that he simply wrote down what West relayed.

And no one reacted to the phrasing, my daughter, my gun?

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And no one reacted to the phrasing, my daughter, my gun?

I'm not sure why they would? Jeremy called to report and incident for his father, West records that but when he passes on the info to Bonnet, they record the it as if the call were from Neville because he is the person in trouble. If they had tried to hide the Neville log, it would have looked suspicious but as it was the Jeremy log that wasn't entered into trial, it seems quit straight forward what happened (to me).
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my main with this i cant see how the wording gets changed so completly from a second hand account to a first hand account.

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my main with this i cant see how the wording gets changed so completly from a second hand account to a first hand account.

Because that's just the way it was relayed. There is no mystery - most people (if they're honest) were under the impression that it was Neville's log that was only fairly recently discovered and Jeremy's that was shown to the jury. It's not so much of a problem when you realise it was the other way around. It's far fetched to suggest that both Jeremy and Neville would speak to West, both not calling 999 but looking up a local station number. Bonnet said that he wrote down what West told him, if both Jeremy and Neville called surely he would have had 2 calls from West passed to him? The more you look at it, the less it suggests two calls and the more it suggests one - no matter how it's worded, ultimately, the information is the same.
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