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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2014, 06:22:PM »
 ::) If WTC7 came down in a similar manner to WTC 1 & 2 - is that evidence in itself that the entire incident was staged?
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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2014, 06:33:PM »
Why does WTC6 have a massive crater?  It's as if something scooped out the inside of the entire building?  How could that happen? WTC6 was an 8 storey building. 


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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2014, 06:36:PM »
::) If WTC7 came down in a similar manner to WTC 1 & 2 - is that evidence in itself that the entire incident was staged?

I found building 7 collapsing like the towers quite odd. From memory this building had a fire contained, on the 11th floor yet the structure collapsed very much like the towers did.  Could this have been intense heat from the towers? I do recall that the whole building was not ablaze. Why it fell like it did remains a mystery...I think scientists from all over the have come up with different theories... :-\

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2014, 08:27:AM »
This is an architects & engineers video regarding World Trade Centre 7.  The 47 storey building that collapsed on 9/11 in under 7 seconds.  The building was in the same complex as the twin towers.

<iframe width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"//www.youtube.com/embed/hZEvA8BCoBw\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The problem with these Architects & Engineers is that they are analysing faked footage, that's why they can't work out the technology behind it all.

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2014, 09:18:AM »
The problem with these Architects & Engineers is that they are analysing faked footage, that's why they can't work out the technology behind it all.
That is my opinion also.

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2014, 11:03:AM »
The problem with these Architects & Engineers is that they are analysing faked footage, that's why they can't work out the technology behind it all.

That is my opinion also.

But are you two saying the same thing or are you saying different things?  Hope this question makes sense.

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« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2014, 11:51:AM »
But are you two saying the same thing or are you saying different things?  Hope this question makes sense.

Oh, that's put me on the spot. I'm not sure to be honest.

I don't necessarily know whether things have been maliciously faked, but perhaps people have been reflecting on erroneous information and therefore arrived at conclusions which do not reflect reality.

The forces involved in the collapse of the two main towers must have been phenomenal, I guess I'm sort of surprised that the forces did not disrupt the ground and cause the foundations of other (more than it did) nearby buildings to collapse.

WTC6, which may appear to have a crater in the middle, 'could' simply be due to damage below the building, perhaps there was a tube station below it, or many sub-ground level floors.

From a personal point of view. I could go along with the authorities being aware of a terrorist attack and simply allowing it to take place, however I find the claims of the US actually carrying out the attacks, be it by setting their own explosives or firing missiles at the buildings etc, to be ridiculously absurd.

The engineers may well have an insight into the forces involved and be able to offer expert opinion on that basis, however Architects are not qualified in that field, or at least most of them are not. So if Architects are offering an opinion based on a subject they are not qualified in, then the actual weight of their opinions should be considered accordingly.

Plus most Architects tend to be a little odd, in one respect or another.

I will add the caveat in, that I haven't studied the 'claims' in any way and the above is just my 'off the cuff' opinion.

I don't know if Handyman thinks along the same lines, or not.

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2014, 12:43:PM »
It was more like a" Fred Dibnah " project. He was good at avoiding other buildings with his demolition.

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2014, 12:46:PM »
i think they knew about it and let it happen.

the idea they did themselves is a bit far fetched.

but then so is saying  they couldn't of stopped it.
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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2014, 01:12:PM »
What I am saying is that the 9/11 image pool consists of fake footage, so what we saw on TV that day does not reflect what actually happened.
3 large buildings collapsed but not by the way in which we saw it on TV.

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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2014, 01:15:PM »
What I am saying is that the 9/11 image pool consists of fake footage, so what we saw on TV that day does not reflect what actually happened.
3 large buildings collapsed but not by the way in which we saw it on TV.

So there we go Roch.

You are quite correct, we are not saying the same thing at all.  :D

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2014, 10:37:PM »
I found building 7 collapsing like the towers quite odd. From memory this building had a fire contained, on the 11th floor yet the structure collapsed very much like the towers did.  Could this have been intense heat from the towers? I do recall that the whole building was not ablaze. Why it fell like it did remains a mystery...I think scientists from all over the have come up with different theories... :-\

The fire sprinklers in the building were not workign and the firemen coudl not get enough pressure to put the fire out.  That resulted in it burning a very long time to the point where they could no longer do anything to save it and left the building to ruin.  All of these buildings have deep basements below them that is the hole you see.  It took far longer to clean through the debris of the Twin Towers because on top of there being much more debris they were looking for human remains.  So that is why in that particular photo you can't see inside the footprints yet.

9/11 conspiracy claims are a hoax.  It involves so many different lies and variations that it would take me a long time to recount them all.  On the old History Channel Message Board there was a lot devoted to combatting the nonsense of those posting about it and other conspircy claims regarding the US government.  A lot of the claim were spread by instant message and emails.  So many times I got stuck in email chains over such nonsense including claims that wings can't break off a plane the way they did when the Pentagon was hit and that the Pentagon debris was actually missible debris and that the planes were simply shot down.

The claims are all endless and invariably totally lacking in scientific logic including the claim the towers fell at a rate faster than woudl happen in a vacuum which is impossible.

I honestly don't understand what people get from making up hoaxes but some seem to get heir rocks off on fooling others with such nonsense.

Some have political motivations they are to blame Israel and fuel distrust of the government by malcontents but most of those who latch onto the nonsense seem to just be people who have issues.

One guy I worked with was a really nice guy but he believed every wacko theory you put in front of him from Area 51 housing aliens to 9/11 being a US operation.  He was paranoid as well thinking that he was in danger from anyone and everyone. Oddly enough he was bright enough to do his job well so not dumb.  He was smart enough that you would have expected him to realize how wacky his claims were.

These claims are all the more silly since Al Qaeda took responsibility already by the time many of them were created. 

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2014, 10:51:PM »
I don't agree with conspiracy theories about 9/11, on this occasion, I agree with scipio.  :o

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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2014, 10:59:PM »
The fire sprinklers in the building were not workign and the firemen coudl not get enough pressure to put the fire out.  That resulted in it burning a very long time to the point where they could no longer do anything to save it and left the building to ruin.  All of these buildings have deep basements below them that is the hole you see.  It took far longer to clean through the debris of the Twin Towers because on top of there being much more debris they were looking for human remains.  So that is why in that particular photo you can't see inside the footprints yet.

9/11 conspiracy claims are a hoax.  It involves so many different lies and variations that it would take me a long time to recount them all.  On the old History Channel Message Board there was a lot devoted to combatting the nonsense of those posting about it and other conspircy claims regarding the US government.  A lot of the claim were spread by instant message and emails.  So many times I got stuck in email chains over such nonsense including claims that wings can't break off a plane the way they did when the Pentagon was hit and that the Pentagon debris was actually missible debris and that the planes were simply shot down.

The claims are all endless and invariably totally lacking in scientific logic including the claim the towers fell at a rate faster than woudl happen in a vacuum which is impossible.

I honestly don't understand what people get from making up hoaxes but some seem to get heir rocks off on fooling others with such nonsense.

Some have political motivations they are to blame Israel and fuel distrust of the government by malcontents but most of those who latch onto the nonsense seem to just be people who have issues.

One guy I worked with was a really nice guy but he believed every wacko theory you put in front of him from Area 51 housing aliens to 9/11 being a US operation.  He was paranoid as well thinking that he was in danger from anyone and everyone. Oddly enough he was bright enough to do his job well so not dumb.  He was smart enough that you would have expected him to realize how wacky his claims were.

These claims are all the more silly since Al Qaeda took responsibility already by the time many of them were created.

I guess the world is full of conspiracy theories since time began. History unless perfectly documented is a good example in my opinion. Past historians all over the world will differ, we are no different today I suppose.  There will always be those that will follow their own beliefs and have their reasons for doing so, I suppose.

At one time I honestly believed there was incorrect information following the world trade disaster. But, when you see the heart broken families of those that perished its becomes hard to believe anything sinster happened other than a terrorist attack on innocent lives.

I am still confused as to how those building fell the way they did and its remarkable that they fell like a controlled explosion was the cause, and not due to the fact that a plane had hit them.  Its just not criket that that the USA government was involved is it?  :) :) :)
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Re: '9/11' WTC
« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2014, 11:02:PM »
I don't agree with conspiracy theories about 9/11, on this occasion, I agree with scipio.  :o

Me too Maggie.  ;D ;D ;D ;D