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Offline Adam

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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2014, 07:46:PM »


But she didn't, did she? She was given the reduced dose without Ferguson's permission. If Dr Angelou wrote to him on July 15th it only leaves 3 weeks until her death which has to mean either that which I've already said OR because permission hadn't been given they repeated the 200mg dose OR because they expected an early response they decided to wait.

Forget about doses.

There are just too many things that don't fit if Sheila was the killer.

June being shot while asleep. Neville not using the other better options. Neville abandoning his family. Neville's brutal beating. The forensic evidence. The twins not waking.

I could write a whole page.
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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2014, 07:47:PM »


So you're saying that those who said they feared for their life were just using throw away remarks. A bit like Jeremy when he said he was sleeping like a log, perhaps?

Jeremy didn't throw in the sleeping like a log for nothing that was intended to stress he was home asleep, no where near WHF.

Whether they were in fear makes no difference at all, the only thing that matters is whether she did resort to violence or not during the course of a psychotic epsiode.  That is what the defense weante dbut could not find so had to settle for pathetic claims of fearing she would resort to violence -which opens the door to the others side stressing the fear was unrelaized.  The meterman incident wasn't even during a psychotic episode and the context of being scared of an intruder is worthless.

The defense wanted evidence she committed acts of violence against others during psychotic episodes.  that is what would have helped.

But even that would not help deal with the main evidence of the case.  As damning as Julie was, the main problem was a total lack of any evidence on her clothing of firing a weapon or beaitng anyone. Hugging the wepaon to shoot herself would have gotten GSR on her gown but she had none.  So even if she changed it should have been present and there woudl have to be other clothing found with GSR ad victim blood but was none.  After she died someone put the moderator away, moved her blody and opened and closed the bible in her wet blood.  She can't have killed herself. 

Sheila having a history of violence during psychotic episodes still doesn't help prove she was likely to have a psychotic episode since she onyl had them when not on her medicine and worse it doens't deal with the evidence that forms the heart of the case.     
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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2014, 07:55:PM »
Forget about doses.

There are just too many things that don't fit if Sheila was the killer.

June being shot while asleep. Neville not using the other better options. Neville abandoning his family. Neville's brutal beating. The forensic evidence. The twins not waking.

I could write a whole page.


All of which is only your opinion.

You've already written a book but extracting from it your opinion, that which has had any value would probably cover a postage stamp.

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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2014, 08:05:PM »
Forget about doses.

There are just too many things that don't fit if Sheila was the killer.

June being shot while asleep. Neville not using the other better options. Neville abandoning his family. Neville's brutal beating. The forensic evidence. The twins not waking.

I could write a whole page.

The only thing that is relevant in the above is forensic evidence. The rest is your hypothesis , and please stop saying Neville abandoned his family - that is so cruel , he may have fought for his life and theirs .Are you so intent on proving yourself right , that you are going to start adding that statement to all your posts?

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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2014, 08:09:PM »
The only thing that is relevant in the above is forensic evidence. The rest is your hypothesis , and please stop saying Neville abandoned his family - that is so cruel , he may have fought for his life and theirs .Are you so intent on proving yourself right , that you are going to start adding that statement to all your posts?

June was shot with her head on the pillow. This suggests she was asleep.

Neville was brutally beaten.

Neville did have several better options on the night. See today's thread.

The evidence suggests Neville abandoned his family if it was Sheila. But not if it was Jeremy. See recent threads.

The twins didn't wake. Fact.
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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2014, 08:10:PM »
The only thing that is relevant in the above is forensic evidence. The rest is your hypothesis , and please stop saying Neville abandoned his family - that is so cruel , he may have fought for his life and theirs .Are you so intent on proving yourself right , that you are going to start adding that statement to all your posts?



Jansus, it comes across as having the same slyness about it as the "Poor Jeremy" comments or the digs about June being asleep.

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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2014, 08:12:PM »
June was shot with her head on the pillow. This suggests she was asleep.

Neville was brutally beaten.

Neville did have several better options on the night. See today's thread.

The evidence suggests Neville abandoned his family if if was Sheila. But not if it was Jeremy. See recent threads.

The twins didn't wake. Fact.

It does - but why would Jeremy choose to shoot his mother first, not his father, who could pose a bigger threat to him?
Makes more sense that a psychotic Sheila would shoot June first - bad relationship with mother.

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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2014, 08:14:PM »
June was shot with her head on the pillow. This suggests she was asleep.

Neville was brutally beaten.

Neville did have several better options on the night. See today's thread.

The evidence suggests Neville abandoned his family if it was Sheila. But not if it was Jeremy. See recent threads.

The twins didn't wake. Fact.




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Re: Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!
« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2014, 08:24:PM »
It does - but why would Jeremy choose to shoot his mother first, not his father, who could pose a bigger threat to him?
Makes more sense that a psychotic Sheila would shoot June first - bad relationship with mother.

Well Neville and June were lying next to each other. Jeremy probably overestimated the gun power and assumed one shot would kill June. A few seconds later he could shoot and kill Neville. But Neville woke.

Or Neville woke as Jeremy entered the main bedroom. Jeremy managed to get some shots onto Neville. But did not chase him until a couple of shots were fired into June. He did not want June getting up and making a nuisance of herself as well.

June staying asleep while Sheila was uncontrollable prior to shooting everyone is implausible.
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