Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!

[lookout]

It positively is hormonal. Mine lasted 10 years after never having so much as a headache. It was like a permanent hangover and occurred at 3am every morning without fail. I was given Dixarit,which I threw back at the GP and told him I'd stick to taking 4 paracetamol at a time instead of two. However I struggled through work and long-haul flights,how-------------I'll never know, because I'd felt like cutting my throat.

Poor Sheila had reached a crescendo with her hormones with untreated post natal depression followed by,I would imagine,post-partum psychosis,on top of everything else.

[Alias]

KILLJOY :D :D :D

You just have hangovers - but it´s more fancy to call them migraines....   

[scipio_usmc]

You make it sound as if Haloperidol was the only drug involved. My aunt, an asthma since her childhood, coped extremely well on a combination of ephidrine(s) and Tucker's Asthma Cure, which was withdrawn. It turned out that it was an addictive substance -it may have been heroin, but I can't be certain. My aunt had inhaled this noxious substance every time she suffered an asthma attack. She wouldn't have thought to use it at other times. It was to alleviate the attack which it did, very successfully. From the time TAC was taken off the market to the day my aunt died they never found another treatment which was as efficacious BUT they said TAC was too dangerous to be on the market.

I didn't suggest anything about it being the only drug with problems.  Most major tranquilizers harm the life of the patients which is why there are counters to try to mitigate the side effects.  I have said many times those on major tranquilisers often don't lead normal lives as we do.

Major tranquizers do not cause euphoria like other tranquilizers can so that is why they are not abused, people don't want to take the or like to. The countering agents on the other hand can be abused because they cause euphoria but also have their own negative side effects.

Drugs effect people in different ways as well. Things that are supposed to make you sleep don't work on me they just make me dizzy or nauseous.  When I got my wisdom teeth removed my dentist wanted to put me out. He said most people prefer that and that it makes it easier on him.  After 45 minutes of trying he gave up and rather than hitting me with a massive dose of anesthesia he ended up doing the procedure with me just numbed. Someone else can be the complete opposite of me and some little nothing can put them to sleep.  Some people pass out from Nyquil even.

in this case we have the observations of the various witnesses to go by just. The ones who said something was wrong with her because she wasn't the same person anymore she was vacant, talked very slowly and constantly tired.  The last known living person to speak to her was Pam who said she did not say much and then abruptly went to bed without even saying goodbye. June told her she was worried about her because of the way she was acting.  The things they described are things Ferguson recognized as being caused by the medication.  Maybe if she had been taking the Procyclidine  she would not have been over sedated because it helps prevent such but we know she didn't have it in her system so apparently was not doing so.

 


 

[Jan]

yes you are correct drugs affect people in different ways . At least you have acknowledged that.

Also if the reports of her running screaming from the nunnery are true and the report from the meter reading man , she was in fact very up and down .

[lookout]

Sheila was extremely ill prior to the murders.

[Alias]

yes you are correct drugs affect people in different ways . At least you have acknowledged that.

Also if the reports of her running screaming from the nunnery are true and the report from the meter reading man , she was in fact very up and down .

That is what you can read out of the different accounts about her.
The person who knew the LEAST about her was her psychiatrist btw - he also comes across in his statements as if he is "washing his hands". He finds a balance between knowing..... and then again, NOT knowing, if you know what I mean.

[lookout]

That is what you can read out of the different accounts about her.
The person who knew the LEAST about her was her psychiatrist btw - he also comes across in his statements as if he is "washing his hands". He finds a balance between knowing..... and then again, NOT knowing, if you know what I mean.

I understand what you're saying. In other words,he honestly didn't know.

[Alias]

I understand what you're saying. In other words,he honestly didn't know.

I also think he might be vague because he can see the seriousness of not having had the twins removed from Sheila´s custody altogether - after she said they were trying to seduce her, that they were the Devil´s children, that especially Nicholas was a woman hater, that she was afraid they would rape and kill her.....
Pretty serious stuff - a lot to wash your hands of as a doctor who did not react to those extremely serious utterances!
Dr, Ferguson says very little concrete and makes sure to stress that Sheila was not violent and would not harm anyone but her mother.
Personally I would be afraid she might very well harm her children with feeling like that towards them!!!!!!!

[Jan]

I also think he might be vague because he can see the seriousness of not having had the twins removed from Sheila´s custody altogether - after she said they were trying to seduce her, that they were the Devil´s children, that especially Nicholas was a woman hater, that she was afraid they would rape and kill her.....
Pretty serious stuff - a lot to wash your hands of as a doctor who did not react to those extremely serious utterances!
Dr, Ferguson says very little concrete and makes sure to stress that Sheila was not violent and would not harm anyone but her mother.
Personally I would be afraid she might very well harm her children with feeling like that towards them!!!!!!!

today a case in the paper where a man was asked if he had suicidal thoughts and he said no and said he loved his family.

the next day he stabbed his wife and tried to kill himself.

Says it all really.

[lookout]

I also think he might be vague because he can see the seriousness of not having had the twins removed from Sheila´s custody altogether - after she said they were trying to seduce her, that they were the Devil´s children, that especially Nicholas was a woman hater, that she was afraid they would rape and kill her.....
Pretty serious stuff - a lot to wash your hands of as a doctor who did not react to those extremely serious utterances!
Dr, Ferguson says very little concrete and makes sure to stress that Sheila was not violent and would not harm anyone but her mother.
Personally I would be afraid she might very well harm her children with feeling like that towards them!!!!!!!

Let's face it,no way is that normal by anyones standards,let alone a psychiatrist who was treating Sheila.
If any mother now,spoke of her children in such a way,those children would be removed to a safe environment. If I was a psychiatrist I'd make sure that the safety of the children was paramount as it would be on my head if it wasn't. I wonder if he ever thought about that aspect involving her illness.?
Then again,he too would have felt off the hook when Jeremy was arrested !

If my g/daughter spoke of her children in such a way,I'd have her committed,as it definitely was not right at all. When I first read that,it knocked me sick,besides scaring me. You'd never rest with thoughts like that going through your mind,it's terrible.

[lookout]

If it had been Jeremy speaking like that,then I'd fully understand why he'd be where he is.

[Alias]

Let's face it,no way is that normal by anyones standards,let alone a psychiatrist who was treating Sheila.
If any mother now,spoke of her children in such a way,those children would be removed to a safe environment. If I was a psychiatrist I'd make sure that the safety of the children was paramount as it would be on my head if it wasn't. I wonder if he ever thought about that aspect involving her illness.?
Then again,he too would have felt off the hook when Jeremy was arrested !

If my g/daughter spoke of her children in such a way,I'd have her committed,as it definitely was not right at all. When I first read that,it knocked me sick,besides scaring me. You'd never rest with thoughts like that going through your mind,it's terrible.

Yes! Off the hook!
A lot of people benefitted one way or another by the conviction of Jeremy, when you think about it.

[scipio_usmc]

yes you are correct drugs affect people in different ways . At least you have acknowledged that.

Also if the reports of her running screaming from the nunnery are true and the report from the meter reading man , she was in fact very up and down .

I have not seen anything credible about the nunnery claim to know if anything at all happened let alone what.  I'm not commenting on it unless someone cna provide some evidence tha tsomething actually happened and what it was that happened.

The meter man incident was not a psychotic episode.  They had a deal with the meter man where he was able to go get the spare key himself and let himself in the house unannounced.  I don't even understand why one would lock the house if you hide the key outside and let so many strangers know where but so be it.  He let himself in and as he was walking through to the meter, which presumably was in the basement, he encountered Sheila.  She saw a stranger who she thought was an intruder and screamed at him to leave.  A woman scremaing upon seeing an intruder is natural.  I fail to see how this is supposed to establish anything so far as her mental health is concerned. 

[Alias]

I have not seen anything credible about the nunnery claim to know if anything at all happened let alone what.  I'm not commenting on it unless someone cna provide some evidence tha tsomething actually happened and what it was that happened.

The meter man incident was not a psychotic episode.  They had a deal with the meter man where he was able to go get the spare key himself and let himself in the house unannounced.  I don't even understand why one would lock the house if you hide the key outside and let so many strangers know where but so be it.  He let himself in and as he was walking through to the meter, which presumably was in the basement, he encountered Sheila.  She saw a stranger who she thought was an intruder and screamed at him to leave.  A woman scremaing upon seeing an intruder is natural.  I fail to see how this is supposed to establish anything so far as her mental health is concerned.

The poor man was terrified and locked himself in his car. June came out to him to apologize - why would she do that if this was a normal reaction?

It is NOT normal for a woman to scream (WTF do you take us for?! So tired of all this BS about weak women and heroic men that keeps being slung around  here all the time!) at the sight of a man probably in a meter man uniform in broad daylight - not even alone in the house, June was there too. More than that, this was a farm house, probably people in and out all day long.
Sheila´s reaction was abnormal, it just doesn´t fit with your agenda, so you have to make it somehing it wasn´t: normal.

[scipio_usmc]

The poor man was terrified and locked himself in his car. June came out to him to apologize - why would she do that if this was a normal reaction?

It is NOT normal for a woman to scream (WTF do you take us for?! So tired of all this BS about weak women and heroic men that keeps being slung around  here all the time!) at the sight of a man probably in a meter man uniform in broad daylight - not even alone in the house, June was there too. More than that, this was a farm house, probably people in and out all day long.
Sheila´s reaction was abnormal, it just doesn´t fit with your agenda, so you have to make it somehing it wasn´t: normal.

So if you are in your house and suddenly a stranger appears in front of you then you are going to open your arms to him as opposed to screaming at him to go away?