Its not a case that Jeremy is guilty its a case of incompetence!

[Adam]

A total waste of space!!!

Sheila was in a desperate place and Jeremy wouldn't even have been aware. The only person who recognised how close to the edge Sheila was happened to be Colin and he let her down when she must needed him the most

Why didn't Colin make EVERYONE aware of his feelings about the state of his ex partner?

What do you think Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy ?

[Alias]

What do you think Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy ?

What was she doing while Jeremy was shooting everybody and beating up his dad?

[nugnug]

is he trying to change the subject i wonder why.

[scipio_usmc]

What was she doing while Jeremy was shooting everybody and beating up his dad?

Sleeping or looking at her mother's body and then possibly checking on her kids if she had enough time before Jeremy came back up.

[scipio_usmc]

is he trying to change the subject i wonder why.

Alias tried changing the subject to divert attention from a question she can't answer but her question was easy to answer. 

[Adam]

Sleeping or looking at her mother's body and then possibly checking on her kids if she had enough time before Jeremy came back up.

Hopefully Jackie will answer. She obviously believes Jeremy is innocent, so it is an easy question.

She was not posting when this thread was created a few months ago.

Question repeat - What was Sheila doing when Neville phoned Jeremy ?

[Adam]

What was she doing while Jeremy was shooting everybody and beating up his dad?

Either asleep. Thread already created.  Then carried a few feet or lead to the main bedroom.

Or being woken and retreating to the bedroom far corner. When seeing a gun man in the dark. People often retreat in this situation.

[Adam]

What was she doing while Jeremy was shooting everybody and beating up his dad?

What was June doing when Sheila was 'going crazy' with the gun over a long period ?

The evidence suggests she was sleeping with her head on the pillow ?

[lookout]

June would NOT have been asleep with all that was going on. She was a bad sleeper at the best of times and used to be scared to sleep in case she had nightmares which she'd suffered from.

[Adam]

That's a good point. June was a light sleeper.

So why was she shot in the neck with her head on the bed pillow ? Was Sheila going crazy quietly, so June could carry on sleeping ?

And why didn't Neville wake June ? Firstly to warn & protect her. Secondly to get assistance ? After all Sheila was so crazy Neville had to ring Jeremy.

[lookout]

I would have said that Neville was already up and about,as farmers are up early when it's harvesting time.His workers would very likely have been at the farmhouse by 5am,and June used to give some of them breakfast. They have to work with the weather in August and take advantage when it's fine. No good harvesting in pouring rain.

The 3 of them had ample time just to dial 999 on its own and replace the receiver quickly-----to which ALL phones were in working order and the only way of disabling them is to cut the cable. Phones used to make a noise if left off the hook and this was NEVER reported as having been done.

[Alias]

The only doctor who states that Sheila suffered from sleepiness due to Haldol is Dr. Ann Wilkinson. Dr. Ferguson has no such remarks, only general ones where he states that side effects MAY be so and so, bu that it is not a given.
Dr. Wilkinson was 29 at the time and a doctor who was a G.P. Assistant at Dr. Myrto Angelou, Sheila´s general practitioner.
She saw Sheila once, and that was on July 11 1985. She had started working at Dr. Angelou´s clinic July 9 1985 - two days before she saw Sheila. She apparently took it upon herself to reduce Sheila´s dose from 200 mg to 100 mg in one sweep. Dr. Ferguson´s recommendation was to reduce it to 150 mg.
There is a lot of confusion in the statements from the three doctors about the dosage of Haloperidol, especially Dr. Ferguson; seems he didn´t know a thing about what Sheila was actually given. You´ll have to read the statements yourselves....  but he didn´t know she got that last dose of 100 mg, I can tell you that.
I said that he was angry that Dr. Wilkinson only gave 100 mg - that was incorrect, it was Dr. Angelou who was angry, sorry.

I thought that Sheila had received 200 mg of Haldol on a montly basis, but it turns out it was originally once every two weeks!!!!!
It is unclear to me whether her dose was not only cut from 200 mg to 100 mg, but also reduced from every two weeks to once a month in one swipe. I´ll try reading it again, when I feel up to it. I don´t particularly enjoy reading statements in ENGLISH. 
In any case, Sheila´s dosage was dramatically reduced, maybe not only halved, but QUARTERED, which means that at the time of the killings, Sheila would have had one eigth of her dose in her system (I can explain how I get to that conclusion if you insist.....it has to do with halving time of the drug)!!! It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE DOSAGE OF HALOPERIDOL! LOTS OF PATIENTS HAVE HAD VIOLENT REACTIONS TO SUCH A PROCEDURE - THERE HAVE BEEN MURDERS TOO.

P.S. Drowsiness is a side effect of Haldol, but only if you are OVER medicated or even OVERDOSED. No wonder if Sheila had been feeling sleepiness with a dose of 200 mg per fourtnight!
That was not the dose she was on at the time of the murders....

[Jane]

The only doctor who states that Sheila suffered from sleepiness due to Haldol is Dr. Ann Wilkinson. Dr. Ferguson has no such remarks, only general ones where he states that side effects MAY be so and so, bu that it is not a given.
Dr. Wilkinson was 29 at the time and a doctor who was a G.P. Assistant at Dr. Myrto Angelou, Sheila´s general practitioner.
She saw Sheila once, and that was on July 11 1985. She had started working at Dr. Angelou´s clinic July 9 1985 - two days before she saw Sheila. She apparently took it upon herself to reduce Sheila´s dose from 200 mg to 100 mg in one sweep. Dr. Ferguson´s recommendation was to reduce it to 150 mg.
There is a lot of confusion in the statements from the three doctors about the dosage of Haloperidol, especially Dr. Ferguson; seems he didn´t know a thing about what Sheila was actually given. You´ll have to read the statements yourselves....  but he didn´t know she got that last dose of 100 mg, I can tell you that.
I said that he was angry that Dr. Wilkinson only gave 100 mg - that was incorrect, it was Dr. Angelou who was angry, sorry.

I thought that Sheila had received 200 mg of Haldol on a montly basis, but it turns out it was originally once every two weeks!!!!!
It is unclear to me whether her dose was not only cut from 200 mg to 100 mg, but also reduced from every two weeks to once a month in one swipe. I´ll try reading it again, when I feel up to it. I don´t particularly enjoy reading statements in ENGLISH. 
In any case, Sheila´s dosage was dramatically reduced, maybe not only halved, but QUARTERED, which means that at the time of the killings, Sheila would have had one eigth of her dose in her system (I can explain how I get to that conclusion if you insist.....it has to do with halving time of the drug)!!! It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO DRASTICALLY REDUCE THE DOSAGE OF HALOPERIDOL! LOTS OF PATIENTS HAVE HAD VIOLENT REACTIONS TO SUCH A PROCEDURE - THERE HAVE BEEN MURDERS TOO.

Alias, I find it HUGELY strange that the unauthorized reduction in  meds was simply brushed aside. Scipio maintains that it's of no consequence but when I spoke to a doctor friend about it she said if consultants' instructions were countermanded by junior doctors there was no point in the consultant writing the prescription in  the first place.

[Alias]

Alias, I find it HUGELY strange that the unauthorized reduction in  meds was simply brushed aside. Scipio maintains that it's of no consequence but when I spoke to a doctor friend about it she said if consultants' instructions were countermanded by junior doctors there was no point in the consultant writing the prescription in  the first place.

In this case, it had no point, the junior Dr. did what Sheila probably talked her into. She had been two days in her job.....

[Alias]

Listed side effects of Haloperidol:

Very common: More than 1 in 10 people who take Haloperidol

    abnormal muscle movements or problems controlling muscle movement
    difficulty sleeping
    extrapyramidal side effects - seek medical advice if you develop side-effects such as tremors; increased salivation; slowing of physical movements; feeling restless and an inability to sit still; difficulty moving; muscle stiffness or muscle spasms including muscle spasm of the throat
    feeling agitated
    headaches

Common: More than 1 in 100 people who take Haloperidol

    a drop in blood pressure on standing or sitting up
    abnormal laboratory test results
    changes to weight
    constipation
    depression
    diminished facial expressivity
    dry mouth
    erectile dysfunction
    eye or eyesight problems
    feeling dizzy
    increased muscle tone
    lowered blood pressure
    nausea
    oculogyric crisis
    psychosis or psychotic-like behaviour
    skin rash or rashes
    sleepiness
    tardive dyskinesia - seek immediate medical advice if you develop abnormal movements of the tongue, face, mouth or jaw
    urinary retention
    vomiting

Uncommon: More than 1 in 1000 people who take Haloperidol

    abnormal gait
    amenorrhoea
    blood and bone marrow problems
    blurred vision
    breast pain or discomfort
    breathing difficulties
    confusion
    convulsions
    decreased or loss of libido
    faster heart rate
    galactorrhoea
    hypersensitivity reactions
    increased body temperature
    increased sweating
    itching
    jaundice
    liver problems
    muscle problems
    oedema
    painful menstrual periods
    Parkinson's-like symptoms
    photosensitivity skin reaction
    sedation
    torticollis
    urticaria

Rare: More than 1 in 10,000 people who take Haloperidol

    bronchospasm
    ECG changes
    endocrine problems
    heavy or long menstrual periods
    involuntary eye movement
    menstrual problems
    motor problems
    muscle twitching
    neuroleptic malignant syndrome - seek immediate medical advice if you develop: very high temperature, stiff muscles, autonomic dysfunction, faster heart rate or changes in awareness
    sexual dysfunction
    spasms of the jaw muscles

The frequency of these side-effects is unknown

    anaphylactic reactions
    biliary problems
    breast enlargement in men
    cardiac arrest - this may be fatal
    certain types of dermatitis
    death
    decreased blood sugar levels
    facialoedema
    heart problems - some of these heart problems may be fatal
    hypothermia
    increased pressure in the eye
    laryngeal oedema
    laryngeal spasm
    metabolic problems
    pneumonia - this may be fatal
    priapism
    reduced alertness
    seizures
    Stevens-Johnson syndrome
    thromboembolism such as deep vein thrombosis or pulmonary embolism
    toxic epidermal necrolysis
    vasculitis
    withdrawal symptoms can occur when this medicine is stopped abruptly. These include nausea, vomiting or difficulty sleeping



http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Schizophrenia/Pages/MedicineSideEffects.aspx?condition=Schizophrenia%20and%20Psychosis&medicine=haloperidol