Fraudulent Log?

[Jane]

April, it is sort of explained here - still a bit confusing. Not sure what really happened - if anything!

Alias, whilst I said it MAY have been fantasy, I don't actually think it stretches the imagination TOO far beyond the realms of what may have happened. We all must know that it's SAID that men go "commando" in kilts. Under normal circumstances we may think "SO??" but given a social occasion, a few drinks -enough to lower inhibitions, say- and a kilted, flirtatious man with a twinkle in his eye and a challenge in his voice, who KNOWS what we may be tempted to...................

[Jane]

I can't believe you are still talking about this.  I don't understand what is confusing, she lifted the kilt up.

No one seems to want to deal with the points I made about the log.

Scipio, I can't imagine why you think we're not interested in the log

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio, I can't imagine why you think we're not interested in the log

I didn't say you were not interested in the log, I said no one wants to address my points.

1) we don't know which is the original and which the copies.  Since none of them differ in material terms it makes no difference which is the original.  Tehy all list the same time so if the issue you care about is the time it doesn't matter.

2) If they were going to change the time then they would have changed the time to match the time on Bonnett's log.  The whole reason the defense made a big deal over the time is because they don't match. West's report says he called Bonnet at 3:36 and Bonnett says 3:26.  That right there says there was no doctoring of the time because had there been these times would match. 

So I'm still trying to figure out what the argument is concerning the time being altered on West's log.  It seems to be an allegation that the log originally said something other than 3:36 and was changed to 3:36 for some illicit purpose during the course of the murder case against Jeremy being prepared. But what purpose would be served by changing it from something else to 3:36?  You would change it to 3:26.  So the allegations make no sense.

The supposed evidence being offered to support the allegations is no better. The log was obviously copied several times and there are several minor differences between these copies.  The time is not one of the things that varies between them they all say 3:36 the call was received and then the information immediately passed off to Bonnett. So the fact there are multiple copies doesn't clal the time into question, they all list the same time.

The time is called into question because Bonnett says he received West's call at 3:26 which ovbiously means Jeremy can't have called West at 3:36. There would have been a legitimate reaosn to change the time on the log but that didn't happen it was not changed to 3:26 ever.

So I have no understanding of how these logs are supposed to demonstrate a time alteration.  I tried to look at it from every angle but still come up empty.


     

[Jane]

I didn't say you were not interested in the log, I said no one wants to address my points.

1) we don't know which is the original and which the copies.  Since none of them differ in material terms it makes no difference which is the original.  Tehy all list the same time so if the issue you care about is the time it doesn't matter.

2) If they were going to change the time then they would have changed the time to match the time on Bonnett's log.  The whole reason the defense made a big deal over the time is because they don't match. West's report says he called Bonnet at 3:36 and Bonnett says 3:26.  That right there says there was no doctoring of the time because had there been these times would match. 

So I'm still trying to figure out what the argument is concerning the time being altered on West's log.  It seems to be an allegation that the log originally said something other than 3:36 and was changed to 3:36 for some illicit purpose during the course of the murder case against Jeremy being prepared. But what purpose would be served by changing it from something else to 3:36?  You would change it to 3:26.  So the allegations make no sense.

The supposed evidence being offered to support the allegations is no better. The log was obviously copied several times and there are several minor differences between these copies.  The time is not one of the things that varies between them they all say 3:36 the call was received and then the information immediately passed off to Bonnett. So the fact there are multiple copies doesn't clal the time into question, they all list the same time.

The time is called into question because Bonnett says he received West's call at 3:26 which ovbiously means Jeremy can't have called West at 3:36. There would have been a legitimate reaosn to change the time on the log but that didn't happen it was not changed to 3:26 ever.

So I have no understanding of how these logs are supposed to demonstrate a time alteration.  I tried to look at it from every angle but still come up empty.


   

If we can leave Jeremy and WHF out of the equation for a minute, perhaps it had to do with previous inaccuracies in noting times which could have led to the police's case being challenged.

[lookout]

I'm going to write some words which were written by Dr. Sandra Lean,I quote,
 "  What they don't realise is that the information the police have gathered may very well " substantiate " the prosecution claims.That being the case,questions  will not be asked in court about other possible areas of investigation,or other possible suspects,because neither of those have anything to do with the case being tried in court, "unquote.

An ignorant person ( Jeremy ) was totally unaware of the policing/law system and how it would have been used against him.

As Dr Sandra Lean quoted," Innocence is no defence ",unquote.

[Alias]

Alias, whilst I said it MAY have been fantasy, I don't actually think it stretches the imagination TOO far beyond the realms of what may have happened. We all must know that it's SAID that men go "commando" in kilts. Under normal circumstances we may think "SO??" but given a social occasion, a few drinks -enough to lower inhibitions, say- and a kilted, flirtatious man with a twinkle in his eye and a challenge in his voice, who KNOWS what we may be tempted to...................

We KNOW that scipio felt tempted to share with us that people had seen his d!#% under his kilt, including a little girl. You have to wonder why.
Let´s move on. Notice that I have not taken part in the discussion about the logs. I don´t know enough about them, that´s why. I am not diverting, there were just some things about the kilt story I found strange.

[lookout]

Me too Alias,this is why I was abrupt in my post of yesterday. I don't hold with talk like that I'm afraid.

[Jane]

We KNOW that scipio felt tempted to share with us that people had seen his d!#% under his kilt, including a little girl. You have to wonder why.
Let´s move on. Notice that I have not taken part in the discussion about the logs. I don´t know enough about them, that´s why. I am not diverting, there were just some things about the kilt story I found strange.

SO, moving swiftly on.........................

[jon]

Ok two logs both look the same until you play spot the difference. The obvious one is the spelling mistake but there are others, for instance the time looks as though it has been changed. I'm not saying it was, simply that it looks that way and looking at both logs side by side - you can see that one is NOT a photo copy of the other (although it's supposed to be).

Jon stared this conversation and dickied out, be interesting to know his thoughts being as he brought it up?

What does dickied out mean ?
I believe both of these 'log's' should be ESDA tested , if shown to have been altered in anyway by EP , this should form ground's for appeal !!
If you are correct in saying COLP were not shown the original , but the copy which you have posted , it stink's along with so much in this case !
 

[lookout]

Stinks ? It fairly reeks !!

[JackiePreece]

Too right Jon

It will be looked at soon I am sure

[scipio_usmc]

What does dickied out mean ?
I believe both of these 'log's' should be ESDA tested , if shown to have been altered in anyway by EP , this should form ground's for appeal !!
If you are correct in saying COLP were not shown the original , but the copy which you have posted , it stink's along with so much in this case !

I never heard the term but based on context I woudl guess it means you ran away from what you started.

[scipio_usmc]

If we can leave Jeremy and WHF out of the equation for a minute, perhaps it had to do with previous inaccuracies in noting times which could have led to the police's case being challenged.

Saying numerous copies were made but all of them having the same time still doesn't help even suggest the time was changed ever. 

In the meantime if they were going to change the time they would change it to match the time in Bonnett's.  Such a change could even be viewed as legitimate because it is ok to correct things when you realize a mistake was made.   Yet they didn't so I am still no understanding the accusation of the time being changed. 

 

[JackiePreece]

Wait and see :-) Skip

Don't you like surprises

[JackiePreece]

You have heard of Bob Miller?

When you lie and then lie again it will always come back and bite you!!

If you need any more proof of police corruption ask our in house barrister what he thinks of the police

Youve made massive mistakes on this forum talking to everyone as if the are stupid

Know yourself first before you criticise anyone