Grannie Speakman :

[Caroline]

Adam,no matter what you say or do will not make the slightest difference to my way of thinking.
Until such times as Jeremy himself should make a confession ( Hell will freeze over first ) then anything you say towards his guilt will just pass over my head. So don't think for one minute that you'll ever win me over to your way of thinking because I stand firm in my own beliefs and wild horses won't even change that.
Don't give yourself a pat on the back on my behalf.


Just one thing---------MS was 90 odd then.How many more years do you honestly think she'd have lived given that she was already ailing ??

He most likely wasn't going to inherit from MS but June would have, after June's death, I imagine he thought he would receive whatever was coming to her.

[lookout]

He most likely wasn't going to inherit from MS but June would have, after June's death, I imagine he thought he would receive whatever was coming to her.

That's right,and this is why RWB was in such a hurry to change the will,as Junes' share would have gone to Jeremy.

[Adam]

Adam, I rather think your idea of what constitutes unadulterated fact is at variance, certainly with my own and possibly with many of the members.

PS I just LOVE that you see as FACT that "JEREMY EITHER KNEW OR DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE WILL" Duhhhhhhhhhh!!! The only fact I can see is that you've ensured you'll be right either way

If he did know what was in the will, it must not have included himself. Otherwise why massacre ? 

If he did not know, why would he assume he was included ? Sorry I forgot, he was a cute baby.

[Jane]

If he did know what was in the will, it must not have included himself. Otherwise why massacre ? 

If he did not know, why would he assume he was included ? Sorry I forgot, he was a cute baby.

Can you point me to where you have seen it said that Jeremy assumed/spoke of what he'd receive from his Granny's will. So glad you recognize that he was a lovely baby.

[Caroline]

If he did know what was in the will, it must not have included himself. Otherwise why massacre ? 

If he did not know, why would he assume he was included ? Sorry I forgot, he was a cute baby.

I think it highly unlikely that he would know exactly what the will contained BUT it's fairly obvious that MS would be leaving something to her daughter (June). So, if MS's will had ANY bearing on what happened (and of course IF Jeremy is guilty), it would be to inherit what would be left to June and anything that might come directly to him, would be a bonus.

[Adam]

It was better to massacre before MS died. Then June & Neville would not get a chance to spend any of it. 

Jeremy would be able to go on some more holidays.

[lookout]

 It's never " better to massacre " anyone ! Good grief !

[Adam]

Can you point me to where you have seen it said that Jeremy assumed/spoke of what he'd receive from his Granny's will. So glad you recognize that he was a lovely baby.

Jeremy has never mentioned MS will. So he either did not know the pre massacre contents, or the contents did not include him.

Otherwise his defence would have brought it up in court. To create reasonable doubt in the juries minds.

[Jane]

Jeremy has never mentioned MS will. So he either did not know the pre massacre contents, or the contents did not include him.

Otherwise his defence would have brought it up in court. To create reasonable doubt in the juries minds.

Why would his grandmother's will have created reasonable doubt in the jury's mind?

[Caroline]

Why would his grandmother's will have created reasonable doubt in the jury's mind?

It wouldn't 

[Adam]

Why would his grandmother's will have created reasonable doubt in the jury's mind?

You know why.

To discredit the main motive that Jeremy killed for inheritance. No point him doing that if MS was about to die and leave Jeremy a rich man. Apparently she was 90 odd.

[Caroline]

You know why.

To discredit the main motive that Jeremy killed for inheritance. No point him doing that if MS was about to die and leave Jeremy a rich man. Apparently she was 90 odd.

You're going around in circles Adam - his grans will wouldn't have created reasonable doubt UNLESS he was going to inherit the lot or a VERY large amount. The will could have made things a lot worse for him given that he could have inherited his mothers share. Added to what he inherited from his parents, it would make him quite a powerful contender within the family.

[Adam]

That is what people on this forum have said.

That Jeremy did not need to carry out the massacre as he was about to inherit from MS.

This is suggesting he was going to inherit a substantial amount.

But no prove has been supplied on this thread upon my request. In fact quite the opposite.

[Jane]

That is what people on this forum have said.

That Jeremy did not need to carry out the massacre as he was about to inherit from MS.

This is suggesting he was going to inherit a substantial amount.

But no prove has been supplied on this thread upon my request. In fact quite the opposite.

Adam I'm really not certain what you're angling for here. I don't think there's any doubt that in the normal course of events he would have indirectly inherited from his Grandmother THROUGH his mother and given that said Grandmother was already frail AND 90, it reasonably wouldn't have been TOO long before his mother inherited.I imagine that to be more fact than supposition.

[Adam]

Adam I'm really not certain what you're angling for here. I don't think there's any doubt that in the normal course of events he would have indirectly inherited from his Grandmother THROUGH his mother and given that said Grandmother was already frail AND 90, it reasonably wouldn't have been TOO long before his mother inherited.I imagine that to be more fact than supposition.

Agree. June was inheriting half of MS's will. None was going directly to Jeremy.

June would have spent the next 5, 10 or 20 years supporting Sheila and the twins. Maybe a few retirement holidays as well. Oh and a new bike. Jeremy had taken her last one.

So no more claims from posters saying Jeremy did not have to commit the massacre because he was about to inherit a large amount from MS. You know who you are.