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Offline Jan

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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2014, 12:50:PM »
it appears that some of the estate was property - so perhaps both Jeremy and Sheila may have been set up in the future by June.
GS was quite wealthy wasn't she.

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« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2014, 12:57:PM »
so in fact it would have been June that would have inherited and then her children upon her death.

So yes Jeremy would have been apparently a wealthy man within time.

What conversations if any could have happened about the estate between june and her family I guess we will never know - but she did make it clear in her note that she did love Jeremy and Sheila a lot,

And a lot quicker if June was out of the way.
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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2014, 12:59:PM »
Here is a post from the "great and late" Campion - who also wrote a whole thread n the properties involved in the inheritance

"Summer, This is where I think the problems arise, the adopted mothers side of the family. With granny
Speakman passing away so close to Jeremy's arrest, presumably she must have been in poor health
for sometime and her passing would be expected by all parties with a vested interest. Generally,
grandchildren have little specialist knowledge of how much there grandparents are worth in shares and
property. Their children do because they have openly discussed this delicate issue prior to the event,
particularly the farming fraternity, because it involves death duties, mainly inheritance tax. If they weren't in the loop, the consequences may affect there own properties that could be held in a family trust. The grandchildren just view that granparents are well off. This unpleasant scenario is the nature
of these situations, the children have to be well informed. In the unlikely event that an entire generation
is leapfrogged, then those with a vested interest are likely to become hostile to a junior, especially if they are not a direct blood relative. Can a family divide like that, would they push another family member
out and could they make sure that that person would never enter the scenario again, that is for people
to form their own judgement, my opinion is yes it can happen and it's much more common occurrence
than society is prepared to recognise. The Speakman family were seriously rich, because they were
very astute business people and they can only be congratulated for their success, it is what came next
and it's influences and possible motive

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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2014, 01:01:PM »
And a lot quicker if June was out of the way.

not if he was in jail for life ::)

And also to prove you theory of this being added to motive , then you are assuming he knew all the details of what he was due to inherit.


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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2014, 01:10:PM »
If June was inheriting from MS that was more money for the twins. As June was planning to amend her will to give the twins a bigger share.

Mary Mugford tesified that Jeremy and June had not spoken for years. Jeremy called her a religious maniac. AE also said in her WS that Jeremy painted a very unfair picture of June to the police. Jeremy testified he had a difficult relationship with June.

BW said Jeremy would taunt June and leave rats in her car.

The caravan break in would have done nothing to help matters. Was the relationship beyond repair ? 

If June had lived for another 12 months would Jeremy have been completely frozen out of June's will ?
« Last Edit: August 09, 2014, 01:24:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2014, 01:14:PM »
The judge at trial said the amount Jeremy would have inherited was  a lot more than £436,000p.

If MS total assets were worth 1.2 million, the judge was right.

I am not surprised Jeremy showed no interest in the farm after the massacre. He could basically live the life of a jet setting playboy until his death.
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2014, 01:35:PM »
If June was inheriting that was more money for the twins. As June was planning to amend her will to give the twins a bigger share.

Mary Mugford tesified that Jeremy and June had not spoken for years. Jeremy called her a religious maniac. AE also said in her WS that Jeremy painted a very unfair picture of June to the police. Jeremy testified he had a difficult relationship with June.

BW said Jeremy would taunt June and leave rats in her car.

The caravan break in would have done nothing to help matters. Was the relationship beyond repair ? 

If June had lived for another 12 months would Jeremy have been completely frozen out of June's will ?


Even believing Jeremy guilty, there is MUCH in the above to challenge. Did not June and Nevill go out for dinner, yes, and probably pay for it, too, with Jeremy and Suzette to celebrate Jeremy's 21st birthday? If they had not been speaking, would it not have made impossible such an intimate gathering? If there HAD been acrimony between mother and son, given the time frame, it could have been caused by the advent of Julie in his life. Jeremy would hardly tell Mary THAT.

BW also said that Jeremy was more courteous to her than her own son. Can anything she said, EITHER way be trusted.

I feel certain that had June known that her son was responsible for the break in she'd have felt betrayed and devastated but as a good Christian woman she would have, undoubtedly, eventually have forgiven him.

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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2014, 01:46:PM »

Even believing Jeremy guilty, there is MUCH in the above to challenge. Did not June and Nevill go out for dinner, yes, and probably pay for it, too, with Jeremy and Suzette to celebrate Jeremy's 21st birthday? If they had not been speaking, would it not have made impossible such an intimate gathering? If there HAD been acrimony between mother and son, given the time frame, it could have been caused by the advent of Julie in his life. Jeremy would hardly tell Mary THAT.

BW also said that Jeremy was more courteous to her than her own son. Can anything she said, EITHER way be trusted.

I feel certain that had June known that her son was responsible for the break in she'd have felt betrayed and devastated but as a good Christian woman she would have, undoubtedly, eventually have forgiven him.

Jeremy was 24, not 21 on the massacre night. Three years after this mysterious dinner I have never heard about.

Just going by what BW said last year. Neville & June either knew about the caravan break in (as BW said) or Jeremy was the number 1 suspect (as Jeremy told the police he would be).

Either way things are not looking good with June's will. She might even live another 20 years.
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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2014, 01:57:PM »
If June was inheriting from MS that was more money for the twins. As June was planning to amend her will to give the twins a bigger share.

Mary Mugford tesified that Jeremy and June had not spoken for years. Jeremy called her a religious maniac. AE also said in her WS that Jeremy painted a very unfair picture of June to the police. Jeremy testified he had a difficult relationship with June.

BW said Jeremy would taunt June and leave rats in her car.

The caravan break in would have done nothing to help matters. Was the relationship beyond repair ? 

If June had lived for another 12 months would Jeremy have been completely frozen out of June's will ?


I think that is a load of rubbish and not bourne out by other people who knew the family . By posting those extracts of statements you make the whole testimony  of Julie/mary  tainted because they are so ridiculous. Do you really think that if June and Jeremy were not speaking at that point in time Neville would have been ready to hand over management of the farm to Jeremy? Colin called Junes religious ideas into question so perhaps that perception came from him?

the rat thing is not even worth mentioning.

BW said that Jeremy was like a son to her. So you are just chosing the bits you want to believe




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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2014, 02:02:PM »
some posters in the past although they seemed to have changed their minds now , thought that the family got the will changed because they did not think Jeremy would be found guilty , so they wanted him out of the inheritance line. perhaps the family  did not want the cuckoo to inherit their hard earned estate.

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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2014, 02:06:PM »
Maybe Mike can help me out because somewhere on this forum there is a put the boot in statement from Ann Eaton when speaking about Granny Speakman she said she THINKS Jeremy's photo was the only photo missing in Granny's bedroom indicating Jeremy was not liked
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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2014, 02:06:PM »
Jeremy was 24, not 21 on the massacre night. Three years after this mysterious dinner I have never heard about.

Just going by what BW said last year. Neville & June either knew about the caravan break in (as BW said) or Jeremy was the number 1 suspect (as Jeremy told the police he would be).

Either way things are not looking good with June's will. She might even live another 20 years.


I guess the information came from Suzette. and yes, you're correct in saying that Jeremy WAS 21 on his 21st birthday and at THAT point, presumably still speaking to his mother and she to him. So now there are 3+ years from then until June's death which causes me to ask; IF it's true that Jeremy SAID they hadn't spoken for years and IF they truly hadn't spoken for years, which I question, was it Julie who was the cause of their estrangement. I'm also minded to wonder just what where Mary's personal feelings about the woman who had called her daughter a harlot. I feel the MOST which can be said of any possible estrangement was that Jeremy was aware that June didn't like Julie.

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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2014, 02:15:PM »
Its odd that so often we are told that Jeremy didn't get on with his parents and his sister. We know that Sheila did not get along with June (Dr F's wit stats),but never does anyone ever mention that Nevill was deeply unhappy within his marriage to June. That there were problems in their marriage is probably most evident by the fact that Nevill did not disclose to June that he had purchased land for Ann and Peter to repurchase when they had the funds (at their request). This is very telling imo,since June was one half of N and J Bamber Ltd. For all anyone know,Nevill could have been having an affair. Husband may have found out hence the threats and Nevill's anxiety about the upcoming shooting season and a possible "accident". The latter is purely speculation,but nevertheless a possibility.

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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2014, 02:35:PM »

I think that is a load of rubbish and not bourne out by other people who knew the family . By posting those extracts of statements you make the whole testimony  of Julie/mary  tainted because they are so ridiculous. Do you really think that if June and Jeremy were not speaking at that point in time Neville would have been ready to hand over management of the farm to Jeremy? Colin called Junes religious ideas into question so perhaps that perception came from him?

the rat thing is not even worth mentioning.

BW said that Jeremy was like a son to her. So you are just chosing the bits you want to believe

So Mary Mugford lied in court ?

So BW lied on television last year.

Julie Mugford, James Richards, AE, RB, the Folkes's all testified that Jeremy had a poor relationship with his parents.

Jeremy testified he had a difficult relationship with June.

Who takes over the farm management in 5 , 10 or 20 years is neither here or there.
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Re: Grannie Speakman :
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2014, 02:54:PM »
Its odd that so often we are told that Jeremy didn't get on with his parents and his sister. We know that Sheila did not get along with June (Dr F's wit stats),but never does anyone ever mention that Nevill was deeply unhappy within his marriage to June. That there were problems in their marriage is probably most evident by the fact that Nevill did not disclose to June that he had purchased land for Ann and Peter to repurchase when they had the funds (at their request). This is very telling imo,since June was one half of N and J Bamber Ltd. For all anyone know,Nevill could have been having an affair. Husband may have found out hence the threats and Nevill's anxiety about the upcoming shooting season and a possible "accident". The latter is purely speculation,but nevertheless a possibility.
Very interesting thoughts tyler and indeed entirely possible. We tend to look at these people as two dimensional and forget they were alll three dimensional with many different aspects to their lives and personalities.
Until that night they were just another collection of people with various relationships and lives, until the killings happened they obviously had no bearing or influence in their lives. I know this is obvious but do think quite often before and after do get muddied and mixed up.imo
In truth we know little or nothing about Neville except a few out of context and questionable quotes.??
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