the raid team enter whf 2 hours after daylight.

[Caroline]

most people act diffrently to to how they think they would act.

Not in this instance, if it were my family, I'd be at the very least asking why they weren't doing something and would be extremely agitated. The longer it went on, the more agitated I would get.

[nugnug]

how do we know he wasnt.

[Caroline]

how do we know he wasnt.

Because he would have said so.

[grahameb]

Because he would have said so.

Not necessarily?

[guest7363]

Not necessarily?

Come on Grahame you would have gone in like me.

[lookout]

 I'd at least have thrown something at a window to draw attention. What's a few broken windows ? I certainly couldn't have done nothing,good Lord.

[grahameb]

I lot here imagine what they would do in Jeremy's place. But then they question why the police did not go in right away? I rather think, me being me that I would do exactly what the police would tell me to do? Why? Because they would have commanded authority. But still we all insist on what we ourselve would do. I suggest that none of us know our own hearts, therefore none of us would know what we would do in this sutuation.
Consider this:

Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended. Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow , thou shalt deny me thrice. Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.

But he did deny him and all his disciples ran away. We may profess great things. But I doubt that may of us will perform those great things?

[lookout]

 I think it's high time we heard these audio tapes that were done by EP while Neville and Jeremys' calls were carried out. Emergency calls are automatically recorded.

 It's been said that these tapes were destroyed after 28 days but--------copies which were done on the 12th of September were said to have been destroyed on the 7th ? No record exists as to the destruction of the tapes !

If the jury had heard these tapes,they'd have then heard the TWO phone-calls,proof of which that two calls were made that night.

[nugnug]

well it would be good to hear jeremys call.

[scipio_usmc]

I think it's high time we heard these audio tapes that were done by EP while Neville and Jeremys' calls were carried out. Emergency calls are automatically recorded.

 It's been said that these tapes were destroyed after 28 days but--------copies which were done on the 12th of September were said to have been destroyed on the 7th ? No record exists as to the destruction of the tapes !

If the jury had heard these tapes,they'd have then heard the TWO phone-calls,proof of which that two calls were made that night.

What 2 phonecalls?  ONly deranged peopel believe Nevill made a call and believe it for no reaosn at all because there is absolutely nothing from Bonnet's testimony or on the log he kept which supports the notion he fielded a call from Nevill nor any evidence that anyone else did.

In addition to that, there is so much evidence proving that Sheila can't have done anything, that someone who believes a call was made is someone not to take serious by anyone rational and informed.

[guest7363]

I'd at least have thrown something at a window to draw attention. What's a few broken windows ? I certainly couldn't have done nothing,good Lord.

Lookout you are such an honest poster and most respected. Respect x

[scipio_usmc]

I'd at least have thrown something at a window to draw attention. What's a few broken windows ? I certainly couldn't have done nothing,good Lord.

I am at a loss to understand what that would accomplish.  If there really was someone with a gun inside that coudl prompt them to open fire at someone.

Most people would try to go inside and if prevented from doing so by first responders would then scream to those inside the house or instead of going inside would be screaming to them.

I don't think rocks through windows would be a wise idea.  By the way glass breaking in some instances sounds like shots from a distance. It depends on how the break happens but breaking glass creates a similar noise. So aside from startling in general to make them think someone was breaking in it could be misconstrued as shots and thus prompting harm to hostages for that reason as well.

[maggie]

I lot here imagine what they would do in Jeremy's place. But then they question why the police did not go in right away? I rather think, me being me that I would do exactly what the police would tell me to do? Why? Because they would have commanded authority. But still we all insist on what we ourselve would do. I suggest that none of us know our own hearts, therefore none of us would know what we would do in this sutuation.
Consider this: But he did deny him and all his disciples ran away. We may profess great things. But I doubt that may of us will perform those great things?

I do agree Grahame, theoretically we may believe we would behave in a certain way but find in reality we behave in an entirely different way.  I would think Jeremy shouting and screaming banging on the door would have been a total pest and would have been taken well away from the house, by force if necessary.  Am sure the police would have made it clear they were in charge and knew what they were doing, there was no room for Jeremy to do anything but do as they asked.
Actually, if he was guilty he may have been more likely to make a huge fuss and be seen as desperate to save them all from the wicked Sheila.  There is absolutely no proof of guilt because of his subdued behaviour imo.

[nugnug]

well they will grab you and drag you away if you do that.

i know what the police verson of what happend that night im not to sure what jeremys is.

[scipio_usmc]

I do agree Grahame, theoretically we may believe we would behave in a certain way but find in reality we behave in an entirely different way.  I would think Jeremy shouting and screaming banging on the door would have been a total pest and would have been taken well away from the house, by force if necessary.  Am sure the police would have made it clear they were in charge and knew what they were doing, there was no room for Jeremy to do anything but do as they asked.
Actually, if he was guilty he may have been more likely to make a huge fuss and be seen as desperate to save them all from the wicked Sheila.  There is absolutely no proof of guilt because of his subdued behaviour imo.

His subdued behavior including no guilt over allegedly leaving the murder weapon out is highly suspicious but after all the evidence is considered then it is obviousl why he acted the way he did.  The evidence establishes that Sheila did not kill anyone else nor did she kill herself. Sheila thus didn't find a rifle he left out and kill anyone with it. Jeremy killed them all so that explains his suspicious behavior away. He killed them and knew they were dead already hence why he was not worried about their safety and did not have any guilt over the weapon being left out or other forms of survivor guilt.